Star Wars Rebels Season One (spoilers)

[C.E. Evans]

But why would Kanan sense her presence if she was dead? I've never heard of a Jedi sensing a corpse before without realizing it.

Yeah I was wondering that too. But maybe before she died they found some way to extract or contain her force energy before it could move on, so it could be used as a lure for other Jedi.

Or maybe their energy doesn't actually leave the body and move on until they've been cremated in one of those giant bonfires they like so much.

"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

But that crude matter contained energy for awhile and may still leave a lingering trace of a person in the Force after they're deceased for awhile, IMO. Luminara's remains seemed to be fairly well-preserved though, perhaps keeping that trace of her preserved as well.

Total Jedi bait.

 

[ALF]

Dave Filoni, regarding the old Luminara switcheroo...

"It became an interesting way also to tell the story of what probably happened to some Jedi Knights, Jedi survivors. Order 66 didn’t wipe them all out. Some of them were captured and probably executed later, which is what you see the holographic recording of. It’s actually Luminara’s execution in that chamber. She’s used for a very nefarious purpose. It was kind of a nice way also to tie to the prequel era to use Luminara.

...

Luminara was a really good lure. We wanted a character that you would know, that kids who had watched Clone Wars would probably actually know. That’s why she got picked over other Jedi. We talked about the continuity of it, that she was dead, and it works out fine, actually. It’s just a really active way of telling the story of the end of some of the other prequel Jedi and that Kanan would believe some of them are alive is actually also really interesting - and that he knew Luminara, but not really, is also a believable thing."
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http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/10/...the-luminara-twist-in-rise-of-the-old-masters

Force sensitives can detect the Force... that's in your bones.

 

[Set Harth]

It was kind of a nice way also to tie to the prequel era

 

[Cutter John]

Maybe as long as a dead Jedi's body remains, it retains some of its Force energy. That's why they either fade away or have their bodies burned.


Got my fingers crossed that at some point this season or next, our crew is rescued by a mysterious group of Y, or even X wings.

 

[Mr Light]

I think it would have been more plausible if Luminara was alive but brain dead or in a coma or something... something she could never come back from but still a living breathing body.

 

[Ithekro]

It reminds me a little of the Dark Cave and other Dark side places that have the remains of a Dark-sider or Sith as well as perhaps a Jedi. The people are died, but their presence remains. The Jedi are seem to burn their dead until some learn to join the light. Perhaps a dead Jedi's presence remains just like a death Sith's does. The only reason Luninara would work well as a trap would be that it seems she encounted a lot of Jedi. Most survivors would have at least met her once and thus know at least slightly what she senses like in the Force. Unlike long dead Jedi of millenia past.

 

[Reverend]

Well to be fair Kanan did say her presence felt...shrouded? I forget the exact term, but it clearly meant he didn't have a solid read on her. I think it's fair enough to say that her body retains an echo of her presence, even though the Living Force within has already become one with the Cosmic Force. If nothing else it's certainly possibly that her midichlorians (or a portion of them) continue to survive within her remains, which could be the source of the echo.

This may indeed be the very reason why Jedi traditionally cremate their dead: to allow the living force to fully pass one and not linger, even partially. While at the same time the Sith appear to be obsessed with entombment, mummification and the like.

 

[sojourner]

Brighthouse cable had the next episode up On Demand.

Hehe. Morgan, Kell - me thinks someone on the writing team is a Battletech fan.

 

[Christopher]

This was a fairly good episode, but I think the show is really overusing the Force telekinesis. The scene of the Luminara hologram stepping into her own coffin was impressively creepy.

It seems that Chopper's vocalizations are getting a little subtler and less repetitive. It's less "wa-wa-wa" and more a sort of mumbling. It works better.

 

[davejames]

Yeah I really liked that little chuckling sound Chopper made at one point in the episode.

And I agree, all the constant Force pushing and levitating is getting to be a bit much. It's getting to the point where you wonder why people even bother fighting with lightsabers anymore when they can just continually throw people into walls, choke them from a distance, or drop heavy objects onto them.

 

[Ithekro]

A lightsaber is an elegant weapon. Used for civilized combat rather than brawling using the Force (which is rather effective). The idea of a Jedi is usually to not need to used the force in such ways, and drawing a lightsaber was a last resort (or aggressive resort). The abject tossing beings around I suppose is considered improper for a civilized age.

Also most opponents back in the day were not as seemingly inept as modern stormtroopers. The old battle droids were dumb as well, but these troopers are just terrible. I can see any old remaining Jango-based clone trooper shaking their heads at these "shinies" and drafted fodder troopers.

 

[Cutter John]

Also keep in mind that someone openly using a lightsaber is going to attract unwanted Imperial attention (as we've seen). Obviously Kanan wants to keep a low profile, so he relies more on hand-to-hand combat and a blaster with a minimal use of his force powers so he'll pass for just another space rogue.

 

[Mr Light]

why do they use Force Push instead of their lightsabers?

Because it's a kid's show and they can't show them slicing apart Stormtroopers because they're humans and not robots

 

[Christopher]

why do they use Force Push instead of their lightsabers?

Because it's a kid's show and they can't show them slicing apart Stormtroopers because they're humans and not robots

That hasn't stopped them from showing Stormtroopers getting blown up or falling to their deaths. Although, granted, those are less graphic.

And it doesn't address things like Kanan Force-catching Ezra from hundreds of meters away as he's falling to his doom. Heck, the only reason they had that scene of Ezra falling off the ship in the first place was to set up that event. After all, it makes no sense to have that kind of practice taking place way up in the sky on top of the ship in the first place. Why weren't they on the ground? Because the writers wanted to have Ezra fall and Kanan catch him with the Force. That's not just evading depictions of violence -- it's going out of their way to underline the power of Kanan's Force telekinesis. And catching Ezra at that range, cancelling that much velocity, is some Yoda-level stuff. Which doesn't make a lot of sense for someone who was still a Padawan when his Jedi mentor was Order-66ed. Is Kanan meant to be an ultra-powerful adept, or is the show just exaggerating Force TK the way the Tartakovsky shorts did?

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Wasn't Luminara seen on Kashykk in ROTS? I haven't seen the episode yet, I guess she must've been captured instead of shot on the spot. I guess deleted scenes aren't really canon either, as she met her fate on Kashykk I think in the script version (along with Quinlan Vos) and a few of the adaptations.

Another deleted scene also showed Bariss on Felucia, and of course there's the many deaths of Shaak Ti.

 

[davejames]

And it doesn't address things like Kanan Force-catching Ezra from hundreds of meters away as he's falling to his doom. Heck, the only reason they had that scene of Ezra falling off the ship in the first place was to set up that event. After all, it makes no sense to have that kind of practice taking place way up in the sky on top of the ship in the first place. Why weren't they on the ground? Because the writers wanted to have Ezra fall and Kanan catch him with the Force. That's not just evading depictions of violence -- it's going out of their way to underline the power of Kanan's Force telekinesis. And catching Ezra at that range, cancelling that much velocity, is some Yoda-level stuff. Which doesn't make a lot of sense for someone who was still a Padawan when his Jedi mentor was Order-66ed. Is Kanan meant to be an ultra-powerful adept, or is the show just exaggerating Force TK the way the Tartakovsky shorts did?

And on top of that, we heard previously that keeping the Ghost flying costs a lot of money and fuel, so you wouldn't think they'd want to just hover around in the sky for no good reason.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

And it doesn't address things like Kanan Force-catching Ezra from hundreds of meters away as he's falling to his doom. Heck, the only reason they had that scene of Ezra falling off the ship in the first place was to set up that event. After all, it makes no sense to have that kind of practice taking place way up in the sky on top of the ship in the first place. Why weren't they on the ground?

I think Chopper suggested that they should do their Jedi training high in the sky, hoping that thick clouds would obscure his true objective: assassinating Ezra Bridger. When they began using Chopper as a batting cage machine, he seized his opportunity to make his mission look like an accident and started hurling objects at Ezra at greater speeds and frequencies until he was able to drive the poor Padawan from his already precarious position and to a (almost) certain death.

Based on the evidence presented above, Chopper can only be a discreet assassin working covertly for the Empire. Or, a giant dick.

Time will tell.

 

[davejames]

The strange thing is, I think I'm actually starting to enjoy watching Chopper be a dick to everybody on this show.

 

[Ithekro]

There were Jedi and Padawans that were quite skilled in specific fields and terrible in others. Kanan's main skill might be telekinesis. This would mean he could be increadibly bad at some other Force skills. Ezra may also have a similar talent that he was using as a thief, but not entirely aware of it (his sense skill seemd very good as he can dodge blaster fire).

 

[Christopher]

There were Jedi and Padawans that were quite skilled in specific fields and terrible in others. Kanan's main skill might be telekinesis. This would mean he could be increadibly bad at some other Force skills.

The Inquisitor didn't seem impressed by his swordsmanship.