Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[Ithekro]

Spoiler: deaths, lineage, and why

The question on Leia would be, why would her children be living like they supposedly are if she's part of the government? If we assume that Ray is a Solo/Skywalker/Organa, why is she a junk dealer? That reasoning is probably why the rumor mill is proposing that Leia is dead by the "present" and died not long after Return of the Jedi. That might also account for Luke going into isolation and Han being someplace else. Though we are presented with very little in terms of the older heroes at this point. Are Han and Chewie just coming back to the Falcon for the first time in years? Why? If Ray is his and Leia's daughter, why is she out here dealing in junk? Why is Luke seemingly not doing what Yoda requested on his deathbed...pass on what he had learned?

It has been 30 years since Endor. What is going on? Well the new story materals will start to come out around September and go into December when the film comes out.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I would not mind if the original characters die IF their deaths contribute to the story in a significant way.

I would. Character deaths are lazy writing, and pointless. Kind of like death in real life. Nothing good ever comes from it. That's why we should never see it in fiction. At least there it's controllable.

That's quite possibly the worst idea regarding fiction writing I think I have ever heard. Bravo.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

I would not mind if the original characters die IF their deaths contribute to the story in a significant way.

I would. Character deaths are lazy writing, and pointless. Kind of like death in real life. Nothing good ever comes from it. That's why we should never see it in fiction. At least there it's controllable.

That's quite possibly the worst idea regarding fiction writing I think I have ever heard. Bravo.

 

[Garak]

I would not mind if the original characters die IF their deaths contribute to the story in a significant way.

I would. Character deaths are lazy writing, and pointless. Kind of like death in real life. Nothing good ever comes from it. That's why we should never see it in fiction. At least there it's controllable.

That's quite possibly the worst idea regarding fiction writing I think I have ever heard. Bravo.

I was all.....

 

[JD]

I would not mind if the original characters die IF their deaths contribute to the story in a significant way.

I would. Character deaths are lazy writing, and pointless. Kind of like death in real life. Nothing good ever comes from it. That's why we should never see it in fiction. At least there it's controllable.

I would not mind if the original characters die IF their deaths contribute to the story in a significant way.

I would. Character deaths are lazy writing, and pointless. Kind of like death in real life. Nothing good ever comes from it. That's why we should never see it in fiction. At least there it's controllable.

That's quite possibly the worst idea regarding fiction writing I think I have ever heard. Bravo.

I don't want to go to the extreme Locutus did, but I agree with his point. I do agree you have to approach it in a way that gives it it's due respect, but there are plenty of ways that you can make a character death matter in a story. Hell, I'm replaying The Last of Us right now, and two of the biggest motivating moments in the first 10ish hours of the game are character deaths.

Spoiler: The Last of Us

If Joel's daughter didn't die then there's a pretty good chance he wouldn't have been in the position to meet Ellie in the first place, and if Tess didn't die he probably wouldn't have kept going with Ellie and that whole relationship never would have developed.

Not to mention how important Owen, Beru, Obi-Wan, Shmi, and Padme's deaths are to the Star Wars saga.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Leia rumors

Spoiler: ...

Weren't there rumors that Fisher's daughter is playing a younger version (presumably post-ROTJ version) of her? Doesn't that mean Leia has to be alive in the present of the OT since Fisher is in the movie?

 

[Ithekro]

There are rumor, and rumor of rumors.

We know that Carrie asked if they would have a role for her daughter based on what Mark said about their lunch with Lucas about Disney wanting to do VII. It is likely she would play a younger Leia in flashbacks. Until the images of Carrie in costume came out, it was suggested that she might only be doing voice overs over her daughter's scenes. Now the rumors are even more in question.

We are now six months from opening day.

 

[RandyS]

I would not mind if the original characters die IF their deaths contribute to the story in a significant way.

I would. Character deaths are lazy writing, and pointless. Kind of like death in real life. Nothing good ever comes from it. That's why we should never see it in fiction. At least there it's controllable.

That's quite possibly the worst idea regarding fiction writing I think I have ever heard. Bravo.

I would say thanks, but I see no reason to thank sarcasm.

Anyhow, I've had far too many bad experiences with death for my opinion to change.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

So have I, but I don't want to destroy all tragedy, dramatic tension, examinations of grief, coping mechanisms, or triumphing in the face of death from fiction as a result of it. I mean, just take a moment to ponder the repercussions of what you're suggesting on so many classic pieces of literature, TV, and film, and on stories not yet written. It would ruin a huge amount of storytelling forever, even in things that don't revolve around a death as the primary motivational factor.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Spoiler: Leia's role

I remember there were some details leaked around the time of Celebration, which stated that Leia is now a Queen. Take this with a bit of a grain of salt, this actually kind of sort of fits with the vague outline of the sequels in old notes, that Leia would be become a queen of what was left of Alderaan. Same outline also had Luke going off on his own and Han dying, so perhaps Abrams and Kasdan are using at least some of those outlines after all if the rumors about Luke vanishing and Han's death are indeed true. It's also maybe a bit of a nod to Leia's mother being a Queen in TPM. Leftover concepts from earlier films, or earlier drafts in the scripts, in the series do tend to make their way into sequels, and Star Wars is no exception.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Carrie's daughter playing a young Leia in a flashbacks is pure fan speculation. Nothing else. I would not even call it a rumor. Just the false assumption that is the only reason she could be in the movie. Carrie asked for he daughter to be in the movie. I doubt they wrote flashbacks to fit that request. When the two of them would have been happy with a small cameo.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Yeah-Mark Hammil's son was in TPM as a Naboo guard, and also Lucas's daughters and son appeared in the other films (most prominently in ROTS-Lucas's son is the Jedi Padawan who gets killed by the troopers in front of Bail Organa). Apart from that scene-which was key in having Bail help Obi-Wan and Yoda-the rest were background cameos with no relevance to the plot.


So Carrie Fisher's daughter might just a short role, maybe not even a speaking line and that's it.

 

[Tulin]

There are rumor, and rumor of rumors.

We know that Carrie asked if they would have a role for her daughter based on what Mark said about their lunch with Lucas about Disney wanting to do VII. It is likely she would play a younger Leia in flashbacks. Until the images of Carrie in costume came out, it was suggested that she might only be doing voice overs over her daughter's scenes. Now the rumors are even more in question.

We are now six months from opening day.

Minus two days for us.

The film premieres here on Thur. 17/12, in Australia but I'll be attending a midnight showing on Wed. 16/12!

Think about us at lunch time on Wednesday December 17th and how thousands of people across Australia will be cheering as the film starts!!!!

 

[Tulin]

So have I, but I don't want to destroy all tragedy, dramatic tension, examinations of grief, coping mechanisms, or triumphing in the face of death from fiction as a result of it. I mean, just take a moment to ponder the repercussions of what you're suggesting on so many classic pieces of literature, TV, and film, and on stories not yet written. It would ruin a huge amount of storytelling forever, even in things that don't revolve around a death as the primary motivational factor.

Indeed.

Part of the power of art and parallelling real world events is that we can learn from it or live through it, gaining knowledge, wisdom and strength to cope with things in our own lives.

Like it or not, quoting one of the best films of all time, how we deal with death is AT LEAST as important as how we deal with life. People who've never encountered the death of others or who hide themselves away from it are ill-equipped to deal with it when it DOES affect them.

Randy reminds me of a close friend of mine whose mother died when he was 10. To this day, he finds out what happens at the end of a movie or tv show and if the protagonist dies(ESPECIALLY if it's a woman!), he WILL NOT watch it.

I've always found him to be emotionally stunted and immature and he lacks any kind of depth as a person.

The real tragedy?

He's 54.

He'll NEVER get over this now and his life is marching towards its own end. It's too late and he's just hardened his resolve against being exposed to anything sad that MAY affect him.

It's all really sad that he's never dealt with it and is missing out on large facets of his own life by shutting himself away and living in a world of video games and sci fi channel movies.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In a world in which people in stories don't die, it's bye-bye Star Wars.

 

[Tulin]

Bye bye Star Wars
Star Trek
Up
Firefly
Buffy
Avengers
GoTG
Jurassic Park
Dallas
The West Wing
Aldred Hitchcock's entire back catalogue
M*A*S*H

ad infinitum......

 

[cooleddie74]

Taking deaths out of dramatic movies that we like is a pretty ridiculous and counterproductive idea on all sorts of levels that others have mentioned and I won't get into because I don't feel like posting half a dozen paragraphs' worth of ranting about how well-written character deaths can propel and improve storylines if their sacrifices are properly constructed and executed within the context of those stories.

In short: do I want Han Solo or Luke or Leia to die in one of the new movies? No. If one or more of them do and we get the most emotionally-impactful and amazing Star Wars films out of them? I can live with that.

It's sad watching Obi-Wan Kenobi sacrifice himself in the original movie, but look what his noble deed does to help propel the other heroes to glorious victory, both in the first film and in the rest of the Original Trilogy. Some movie and television character deaths are ridiculous and wasteful, but others....others can become works of art if written correctly.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Firefly
Buffy's
Avengers

Though in Whedon's case it is starting to get a tad repetitive.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

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[Tom Hendricks]

I thought the rumor was that Carrie Fishers daughter was going to play younger Leia in the stand alone movie, Rogue One not SW VII. Then she denied that she was involved.