Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[davejames]

Agreed. There's a big difference between being learning about characters or costumes or general storylines-- all stuff that's likely to revealed in the numerous trailers released beforehand anyway-- and being spoiled on major story twists or final act character deaths.

 

[cooleddie74]

New Stormtrooper armor or supporting characters' names or one of the planets seen in the new film don't bother me. At all. Major -and I mean huge - plot points would, and while part of me doubts how accurate the above link really is I do wish some people would restrain themselves just a little bit and stop trying to spoil every plot detail that gets whispered or Tweeted to them by the brother of the wife of the caterer who knows the boom mike guy who walked by the main soundstages one day and heard the actors talking about their roles in the script.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Original Trilogy star to be killed off rumous pick up credibility, ish...

Possible spoiler -

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...spoiler-han-solo_n_6704082.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

If true, that wouldn't bother me, especially if the character goes out sacrificing themselves for their friends and family. It would lend the film some dramatic consequence and pass the torch between generations in a poignant way.

 

[Mach5]

 

[cooleddie74]

Ladies and gentlemen, the all-purpose cartoon for the entire duration of the Sequel Trilogy era. That depicts the typical sci-fi/fantasy film nerdrage right down to the subatomic level.

 

[JarodRussell]

Original Trilogy star to be killed off rumous pick up credibility, ish...

Possible spoiler -

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...spoiler-han-solo_n_6704082.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

If true, that wouldn't bother me, especially if the character goes out sacrificing themselves for their friends and family. It would lend the film some dramatic consequence and pass the torch between generations in a poignant way.

Usually, sacrifices are executed in a horrible way in recent movies. Worst offender in Abrams' resume is George Kirk's death. Autopilot malfunction (despite being able to program a collision course). Yawn. Cringe. Just as bad as Data's contrived sacrifice in Nemesis. Or Superman's dad's death. Mace Windu's death annoyed me pretty much as well, I thought the whole build up to it was done very poorly.

Iron Man's death in Avengers would have been a good one imo, the build up was organic, and no obvious plot holes/obvious alternatives.

Whoever of the original cast gets killed off in Star Wars, it's probably going to be cringeworthy.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Worst offender in Abrams' resume is George Kirk's death. Autopilot malfunction (despite being able to program a collision course). Yawn. Cringe.

Wow, I can't disagree enough. I agree that the autopilot malfunctioning is a bit contrived, but I didn't really care because the scene that followed was just so beautifully done from a musical and thematic standpoint. The cuts back and forth between one life ending to protect the birth of another, while Michael Giacchino's score swells brings a tear to my eye every time. They could have focused on the action and explosions going on outside but instead chose to make it a quiet, contemplative scene with only the music and dialogue to give it poignancy. I really find it to be a lovely scene and my favorite from the film, and one of my favorites from all of Trek.

If Abrams can recapture that kind of moment again with the death in TFA --if true-- I'll be entirely satisfied with how it was done.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

Worst offender in Abrams' resume is George Kirk's death. Autopilot malfunction (despite being able to program a collision course). Yawn. Cringe.

Wow, I can't disagree enough. I agree that the autopilot malfunctioning is a bit contrived, but I didn't really care because the scene that followed was just so beautifully done from a musical and thematic standpoint. The cuts back and forth between one life ending to protect the birth of another, while Michael Giacchino's score swells brings a tear to my eye every time. They could have focused on the action and explosions going on outside but instead chose to make it a quiet, contemplative scene with only the music and dialogue to give it poignancy. I really find it to be a lovely scene and my favorite from the film, and one of my favorites from all of Trek.

If Abrams can recapture that kind of moment again with the death in TFA --if true-- I'll be entirely satisfied with how it was done.

It also led to the best line in all of Star Trek, Pike: "Now, your father was captain of a Starship for 12 minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's and yours. I dare you to do better."

 

[sttngfan1701d]

Considering Harrison Ford lobbied for Han's death in the original movies, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he dies in the new ones. Hell, he might have agreed to do this movie based on his death being written into the script, for all we know. I don't consider that a gigantic spoiler, myself. And I'd put odds of 65/35 on it being true.

If it's true, all I care about is if he dies laughing in the face of the villain, or saving a bunch of lives

 

[cooleddie74]

Samuel L. Jackson always said he wanted Mace Windu to go down and not like a punk, and while that's a bit debatable considering his demise in the third Prequel I couldn't imagine Harrison Ford settling for anything but the most heroic death for Han Solo - if it even happens at all. J.J. Abrams is a huge star Wars fan going back to his childhood so I doubt that if he does kill the character off it would be a very underwhelming or idiotic demise unworthy of Han Solo.

 

[fireproof78]

Samuel L. Jackson always said he wanted Mace Windu to go down and not like a punk, and while that's a bit debatable considering his demise in the third Prequel I couldn't imagine Harrison Ford settling for anything but the most heroic death for Han Solo - if it even happens at all. J.J. Abrams is a huge star Wars fan going back to his childhood so I doubt that if he does kill the character off it would be a very underwhelming or idiotic demise unworthy of Han Solo.

I'm not inclined to think that Abrams would kill Solo, even if Ford wanted it. I think that the PTB probably don't want the Big 3 killed off either, though I could be wrong.

Plus, despite Ford's opinion in ROTJ, I imagine that may have changed over the years.

 

[cooleddie74]

There's been some circumstantial evidence that Harrison Ford's opinion of Han Solo as a character has improved in recent years, which doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't ask for Han to die a heroic death, but with the huge paychecks that Disney can give him to reprise the role more than once and the long passage of time since the original films I'm not entirely convinced that he'll want the new movie to be his last.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

That depicts the typical sci-fi/fantasy film nerdrage right down to the subatomic level.

And the last 6+ years of Trek fandom?

 

[Saul]

I'd expect Luke or Han to buy the farm. Luke because it would be a Ben Kenobi type of death with him passing on the torch to a new understudy. Or Han because Ford wanted to kill the character off before and made some negotiations before joining the film that led to some script rewrites giving him a larger role. Considering their ages I wouldn't be surprised at either one of them getting killed off. If they both get killed that would be surprising though. Leia too.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

The only thing that would piss me off is that if either Han or Luke die in this film, they better have some decent screentime before the death. I don't want to wait 80 minutes into a 120 minute movie to finally see Luke Skywalker, only for him to die 25 minutes later in a lightsaber fight with Darth Maul 2.0.

I'm a little worried that half the movie (or more) is going to be taken up introducing the new younger characters before we have any meaningful time with the original ones.

At the risk of sounding a little nerd rage-ish, while I *am* interested in the new storyline and to some extent in the new characters, the main reasons I want to see this film are (1) to see how the universe has changed in 30 years and (2) to see the old characters again.

Sorry, but the new, younger characters are completely secondary at this point in my mind.

 

[martok2112]

Hats off to Mach5, Cooleddie, and BeatleJWOL! Couldn't agree more about that comic, and about the assessment of fandom in recent years!

 

[DWF]

There's been some circumstantial evidence that Harrison Ford's opinion of Han Solo as a character has improved in recent years, which doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't ask for Han to die a heroic death, but with the huge paychecks that Disney can give him to reprise the role more than once and the long passage of time since the original films I'm not entirely convinced that he'll want the new movie to be his last.

Disney also owns Indiana Jones and he's willingto make more Indy movies so he'll be getting those huge paychecks from Disney no matter what.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

I wonder if that means we'd lose Chewbacca (again ) and the Falcon too.

Funny thing is, there was a rumor in the 90's that ROTJ originally was going to have Lando (and also the Falcon, Nien Nunb, and those rebels on board) killed of, but it turned out to be a myth:



http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/the-millennium-falcons-and-landos-demise/

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'd hope that they don't kill off Luke in the first film, as I'd like to see some time spent on Jedi Master Luke Skywalker...a much-delayed payoff for his arc in the OT.

Han, by comparison, has few places to go. I have no problem with him getting a heroic death early on...it's better than not seeing him again at all.

But what if he takes the Falcon with him...?

 

[Corran Horn]

From what I've seen I'm pretty convinced at this point Han will die in this first film. I hope I'm wrong.