Star Wars Episode 3: Was there as epic as this?

[Grendelsbayne]

I honestly don't even remember this sequence. ROTS mainly stood out to me, when i saw it, as the worst Star Wars film ever made (i have never even remotely understood why so many people love this one so much). Really, the only lightsaber duel that really stuck in my head at all from any of the prequels was Qui-Gon/Maul in phantom menace, and that's mostly because a double bladed lightsaber looks cool and the music was great. The fact that I've actually seen TPM more than once, due to randomly catching on tv once or twice, whereas I haven't seen the other two since they were in theaters may have something to do with it as well.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I liked RotS because it was serious, and truly led to the set up for Star Wars...it had an Empire Strikes Back feel to it.

Minimal Jar Jar and other silliness.

 

[Set Harth]

if you have to have Jar Jar in a movie, silencing him is always a plus.

 

[Corran Horn]

The only miscalculation he made was I do not believe Palpatine realised the physical damage he would suffer using the force lighting to the effect he had to against Windu.

He expected to be damaged somehow, that way he could prove to the Senate that the Jedi tried to assassinate him and failed.

I just watched it - it sure looks like he's losing that battle when he gets raisin'd.

He's definitely playing up his meekness when Anakin shows up, that's for sure, but I think save Anakin's appearance he would've been killed by Windu.

 

[fireproof78]

Personally, I was generally unimpressed with the saber combat in ROTS. It just didn't flow to me. However, it take it a little better after reading novelization, it gelled a little bit better for me.

I think that Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Maul battle is more epic than the rest, just because it had a physical pressure behind it. There was an intensity to it that really sold that for me, that was lacking in the quick way most of the Jedi fell in ROTS made it hard for me to care. I was really sad that Qui-Gon died.

Actually, one battle that was epic to me was the Dooku/Obi-Wan/Anakin battle in the ROTS novelization is far more drawn out, Dooku is so much more overconfident and Obi-Wan and Anakin sucker him with basic lightsaber combat before using more advance techniques.

Also, for me, this is epic. Sorry, I still tear up at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnqZcmWk8U

 

[wulfio]

It`s over, I have the high ground!!!

Me no likey the prequels.

 

[fireproof78]

It`s over, I have the high ground!!!

Me no likey the prequels.

I don't blame you. Somewhere, there is a parody script that reads like this:

"Give up, Anakin. I have the high ground, much like Darth Maul did before I defeated him, successfully."

 

[MacLeod]

I think the scene was supposed to show the jedi were still overconfident, which is why the first two were taken out very swiftly. Unfortunately, the execution instead comes off making them look like noobs.

I would have had one less Jedi with Windu allowing one to be taken out as above, then a longer two-on-one, where they both overpower Palpatine just as Anakin arrives. Much of the dialogue can remain unchanged, but then Anakin's turn to the dark side comes with him cutting down Fisto, before a fight defending Sidious against Windu.

Also,
The beginning of RotS is epic, in my opinion.

and I would say the final space battle in ROTJ is epic, the battle at the start of ROTS not so much. To me it just looked fake perhaps it was the CGI.

 

[2takesfrakes]

... I would say the final space battle in ROTJ is epic, the battle at the start of ROTS not so much. To me it just looked fake perhaps it was the CGI.

I couldn't agree more with this post. The opening battle in REVENGE of the SITH looks like a videogame. Maybe Lucas just didn't want to put all of his money into this sequence, saving it instead for the Annie and Obi-Wan fight. Especially as he knew this was the last STAR WARS he was going to make, it was a better idea probably, to $ave where-ever he could.

Whereas, with RETURN of the JEDI, Lucas had to up the anty on the final battle, because ILM was still making its case for being the best - and only - Special Effects House in town. But for the prequels, George does seem concerned with costs, which may have to do with his funding the project himself, and/or to do with feeling compelled to make ILM more affordable, as CGI was now finding its way in the hands of every Man.

 

[Candlelight]

It`s over, I have the high ground!!!

Me no likey the prequels.

I don't blame you. Somewhere, there is a parody script that reads like this:

"Give up, Anakin. I have the high ground, much like Darth Maul did before I defeated him, successfully."

I remember the dialogue like that...

"Love won't save you Padme, only my new powers can do that, like the powers I had when I tried to save my mother but didn't".

 

[fireproof78]

It`s over, I have the high ground!!!

Me no likey the prequels.

I don't blame you. Somewhere, there is a parody script that reads like this:

"Give up, Anakin. I have the high ground, much like Darth Maul did before I defeated him, successfully."

I remember the dialogue like that...

"Love won't save you Padme, only my new powers can do that, like the powers I had when I tried to save my mother but didn't".

I like that.

I also would like to echo the ROTJ final space battle. I think it is one of the best space battles on film that I have ever seen. Despite the fun of ROTS opening battle, it doesn't carry the punch of ROTJ with the Rebels fighting for their very survival.

Although, I always thought it odd that Admiral Ackbar told the fleet to wait for his mark to make the jump, only for Lando to jump the fighters...the rebel

 

[DWF]

Ep. III was epic, there was huge space battle to open the movie, four lightsaber duels, Oder 66 adn the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire. The movie had over 3000 visual effects shots so I don't think the scrimped on visual effects and of course some of the effects were similar to computer games similar technologies were used to create them.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Ep. III was epic, there was huge space battle to open the movie, four lightsaber duels, Oder 66 adn the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire. The movie had over 3000 visual effects shots so I don't think the scrimped on visual effects and of course some of the effects were similar to computer games similar technologies were used to create them.

By that standard, Battlefield Earth was epic, too.

Also, movies don't get a pass on looking like video games just because they both 'use similar technology'. That's like saying political speeches get a pass on sounding like children's books, just because they both use words.

 

[DWF]

Ep. III was epic, there was huge space battle to open the movie, four lightsaber duels, Oder 66 adn the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire. The movie had over 3000 visual effects shots so I don't think the scrimped on visual effects and of course some of the effects were similar to computer games similar technologies were used to create them.

By that standard, Battlefield Earth was epic, too.

Also, movies don't get a pass on looking like video games just because they both 'use similar technology'. That's like saying political speeches get a pass on sounding like children's books, just because they both use words.

I wasn't giving it a pass based on game technologies, but when it's used that of course it's going to look that way and personally don't think all of the cGI used in the movies look like a game. And no little actaully happened in Battlefield Earth, the invason was over before the movie started and earth still wasn't free in the end.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Ep. III was epic, there was huge space battle to open the movie, four lightsaber duels, Oder 66 adn the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire. The movie had over 3000 visual effects shots so I don't think the scrimped on visual effects and of course some of the effects were similar to computer games similar technologies were used to create them.

By that standard, Battlefield Earth was epic, too.

Also, movies don't get a pass on looking like video games just because they both 'use similar technology'. That's like saying political speeches get a pass on sounding like children's books, just because they both use words.

I wasn't giving it a pass based on game technologies, but when it's used that of course it's going to look that way and personally don't think all of the cGI used in the movies look like a game. And no little actaully happened in Battlefield Earth, the invason was over before the movie started and earth still wasn't free in the end.

No 'of course'. Movies use cgi lots of times without looking like a video game. It is possible. Therefore, when a movie makes a scene that fails to do so, that is a legitimate failure - not 'it's the technology's fault!'

And BE had so many explosions I could barely remember if there'd even been any dialogue at all even from the moment I walked out of the theater. None of it went anywhere or really accomplished anything, sure. But your argument basically amounted to 'Lots of fighting! Epic!', so by that standard, BE was epic because: 'look at all the explosions!'.

 

[DWF]

By that standard, Battlefield Earth was epic, too.

Also, movies don't get a pass on looking like video games just because they both 'use similar technology'. That's like saying political speeches get a pass on sounding like children's books, just because they both use words.

I wasn't giving it a pass based on game technologies, but when it's used that of course it's going to look that way and personally don't think all of the cGI used in the movies look like a game. And no little actaully happened in Battlefield Earth, the invason was over before the movie started and earth still wasn't free in the end.

No 'of course'. Movies use cgi lots of times without looking like a video game. It is possible. Therefore, when a movie makes a scene that fails to do so, that is a legitimate failure - not 'it's the technology's fault!'

And BE had so many explosions I could barely remember if there'd even been any dialogue at all even from the moment I walked out of the theater. None of it went anywhere or really accomplished anything, sure. But your argument basically amounted to 'Lots of fighting! Epic!', so by that standard, BE was epic because: 'look at all the explosions!'.

There was no gunplay when Palpatine took control and strarted the Empire, but he did use a war to do and to discredit the Jedi. And yes they were Star Wars movies and all six have lightsaber dues and battle scenes. But things were changed on a galactic scale at the end of Ep. III and you can't that was an epic change.

 

[Corran Horn]

It`s over, I have the high ground!!!

Me no likey the prequels.

Yeah, that's a head-scratcher. Good thing for the galaxy Anakin didn't jump first, I guess.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I wasn't giving it a pass based on game technologies, but when it's used that of course it's going to look that way and personally don't think all of the cGI used in the movies look like a game. And no little actaully happened in Battlefield Earth, the invason was over before the movie started and earth still wasn't free in the end.

No 'of course'. Movies use cgi lots of times without looking like a video game. It is possible. Therefore, when a movie makes a scene that fails to do so, that is a legitimate failure - not 'it's the technology's fault!'

And BE had so many explosions I could barely remember if there'd even been any dialogue at all even from the moment I walked out of the theater. None of it went anywhere or really accomplished anything, sure. But your argument basically amounted to 'Lots of fighting! Epic!', so by that standard, BE was epic because: 'look at all the explosions!'.

There was no gunplay when Palpatine took control and strarted the Empire, but he did use a war to do and to discredit the Jedi. And yes they were Star Wars movies and all six have lightsaber dues and battle scenes. But things were changed on a galactic scale at the end of Ep. III and you can't that was an epic change.

So you consider the movie to be 'epic' simply because it ended in exactly the same place we all *already knew* it was going to end?

I honestly don't even remember this movie much at all - as already stated, I only saw it once, in theaters - but did the movie actually even show much of this epic change at all? I remember several battles and then anakin and Obi-wan winding up in some volcano type place and then anakin wakes up as darth vader. The end. Did I blank out all the scenes showing the entire galaxy submitting to the Emperor? I suppose it's possible i did, but i'm curious to know how much of this sweeping change was actually shown on screen.

Anyway, this whole line of discussion is fairly off topic, since the discussion here is actually about individual scenes in the movie being epic, or not epic, and not about the movie as a whole.

 

[Set Harth]

four lightsaber duels

Five, technically.

 

[DWF]

four lightsaber duels

Five, technically.

Yeah, I forgot about Greivous VS Obi-Wan.