Ventress was based on an earlier AOTC design. She then was introduced into the Clone Wars comics, books, and cartoons. I was a big fan of that Clone Wars media campaign. The SW Republic series was excellent.
Star Wars Clone Wars SPOILERS from Lucas/Stewart interview
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^ This is true...her designs were going to be used as the female Sith Apprentice for Sidious in AOTC and were quite cool, in fact I think I would have preferred Ventress or whatever name she would have been given other than Dooku despite my argument in favor of Dooku in a previous post. Those designs were pretty cool. I enjoyed the comics as well as well as her appearances in the animated clone ones, some episodes of which could be canon since Anakin started the Clone Wars movie with his scar intact, some thing that he received from Ventress I believe in the season one finale.
Wouldn't be the first time that things changed for the "future" of Star Wars.
The character from the EU I wish would show up is Quinlan Vos. He almost appeared (and got killed off) in ROTS and was mentioned by name in the movie.
"Saleucami has fallen and Master Vos has moved his troops to Boz Pity."
Filoni did state that originally Vos was supposed to appear in the first season episode "Bombad Jedi." He was the puppetmaster making Jar Jar look like a Jedi.
As a matter of fact...
http://www.eucantina.net/archives/8050
I just hope they keep his character intact from the comics but I doubt that will happen.
"Saleucami has fallen and Master Vos has moved his troops to Boz Pity."
Filoni did state that originally Vos was supposed to appear in the first season episode "Bombad Jedi." He was the puppetmaster making Jar Jar look like a Jedi.
As a matter of fact...
http://www.eucantina.net/archives/8050
I just hope they keep his character intact from the comics but I doubt that will happen.
^ Dude I posted Vos appearing like last page lol.
Sorry. I usally tend to ignore things. 
^ LOL...
It's still circular reasoning. Your labeling of the things they do as "Dark" is the fallacy of assuming your conclusion as evidence of your conclusion.
Wrong. Anakin balanced the Force in ROTJ. That's canonical fact, confirmed by Lucas for those who don't get the idea of what usually happens with prophecies in fantasy.
Yes it is, according to Lucas. It's balance of the Force itself, not balance in the ranks of two relatively small organizations. Otherwise the Jedi would not see balance as a good thing, and it would not be the hoped-for outcome in a Jedi prophecy.
No EU source describes "the balance of the Force", as cited in the PT, in this fashion. You're just making up your own definition.
Was Baby Poopsie taken from Baby Poopsie's home? Snatched, even?
Consider the victims of the Jedi crime spree... an honest, hardworking slaveowner... a woman apparently using her own child as the bait in a pigeon-drop scam... a drug dealer... when, oh when will this carnage ever end?
It's not like the freedom of Naboo and the lives of its inhabitants were at stake. It's not like the Death Star was threatening to blow up whole planets of innocent people.
The central issue is that in a truly moralistic universe you don't ever try to get Outer Rim slaveowners to accept Republic credits, no matter how many innocent lives may be on the line.
Why?
Because that would be an inconvenience.
And inconveniencing slaveowners is just one of those things that really gets the Force riled up.
I mean, what is Watto supposed to do with Republic credits? It's not like he can just get on a ship, go to the nearest Republic world, and, well... spend them.
How'd we get back to this again? The three of you (including Galliyfrean Sith in this) have spent pages of this thread debating without coming to a conclusion and going around in circles. It's clear from reading your discussion that you both and darkwing disagree with what constitutes "evil" and "good" within the Star Wars universe and that's fine.
Didn't notice if this was up thread or not, a few hightlights from the season ahead (beware spoilers)
On the last one: groooooooan
Asajj Ventress: .... Filoni also pointed out that one of the Nightsister weapons, a kind of energy bow, is an homage to Hank’s bow from the 80′s Dungeons & Dragons cartoon. Expect Asajj’s story to go from bad to worse to ???, while someone else might take her place…
C-3PO: He’s getting droid-napped… and tortured (a la EV-9D9′s chamber in Jabba’s palace.)
Baron Papanoida and family: In the Main Event, George Lucas previewed a clip showcasing a cantina firefight between some thugs and Baron Papanoida (as played by George Lucas in Episode III) and his fellow Pantoran family members. George remarked that his son, Jett, was jealous that Jett’s character only gets one blaster to George’s two. This episode and a few others were penned by Katie Lucas, who also wrote the season 1 episode ‘Jedi Crash.’ Does George return to voice his character
C-3PO: He’s getting droid-napped… and tortured (a la EV-9D9′s chamber in Jabba’s palace.)
Baron Papanoida and family: In the Main Event, George Lucas previewed a clip showcasing a cantina firefight between some thugs and Baron Papanoida (as played by George Lucas in Episode III) and his fellow Pantoran family members. George remarked that his son, Jett, was jealous that Jett’s character only gets one blaster to George’s two. This episode and a few others were penned by Katie Lucas, who also wrote the season 1 episode ‘Jedi Crash.’ Does George return to voice his character
On the last one: groooooooan
I'm looking forward to this season. Going to be interesting to see where Ahsoka's premonitions lead her, I'm actually looking forward to seeing Baron Papadoina and his family again (Lucas hinted that we will get to see them fight and that the episode was written by his daughter), Ventress's arc seems to be something major that will play out during this season as well via the introduction of Savage, the attack on Kamino seems intriguing, and yes we'll see Shaak Ti who it was revealed at Celebration is the Jedi guardian of Kamino which is why she's not been seen a lot. I am really looking forward to this season.
Although I will admit that "Savage Oppressors" is a little over dramatic name for Darth "Maul"'s brother lol.
What I don't get about that character is if they wanted to bring Maul back (essentially what they're doing from a certain POV), why do it in such a cliched way? Hell go with the cyborg version from the EU, it certainly wouldn't be any sillier.
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It's most likely fanwank...along with the fact that the writers are obviously getting bored with Ventress. She continually fails and that's because she's meant to. I too would have liked to have seen the cyborg Darth Maul...or better yet a cloned version of Darth Maul. Since Palps is said to have raised and trained Maul since he was an infant (talk about an abusive parent eh?) and Palps affinity towards clones all they would have needed to do is explain that Sidious kept DNA from Maul and decided to use the cloning technology on Kamino to clone him. He's obviously meant to be a rival for Ventress and keep her on her toes.
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No, it's objective fact. Usurping control of another person's mind (even if justified by necessity is a Dark act). Arrogance and self-righteousness are Dark as they make the Jedi over-confident in their own abilities and faculties, leading them away from the directive voice of the Force.
Lucas can say that all he wants, but his definition of "balance" bears no resemblance to the true meaning of the word.
See above.
Nope, the pre-Reformation Jedi believed in a balanced Force perspective characterized by both light and dark elements.
The Original Jedi Code:
Baby LUDI's proper home was with his family, wherever they might be. Baby Ludi was kept from being with his family.
End of story.
So as long as they're people you consider Bad, they have no rights to the integrity of their own minds, or to not be defrauded?
Qui-Gon didn't even bother to TRY another path. He went straight for the Mind Trick.
Arguably a good reason to push the envelope on the rules a little, but at the same time keeping in mind the temptation of power.
Which only proves my point. Qui-Gon set out to effectively STEAL the hyperdrive parts from Watto, without exploring other options.
Which is a seperate issue from slave-holding itself. Both the Republic and the Jedi, if they were being true to their beliefs would not just sit back and let mass slavery flourish.
It's another example of how both Republic and Order have fallen from their principles, and why they as institutions were rotting from within.
^ Okay seriously...darkwing if you and Set Hath have nothing to contribute to the thread can you two at least create another thread for your debate? I don't appreciate continually being ignored while the two of you continue to have your own personal debate.
Actually the idea of cloning Maul would be pretty cool. It would not only keep Ventress on her toes but I would suspect Tyrannus too, if Sidious was the behind the cloning. Now if Tyrannus was, then perhaps it would be a sign that he was looking for an apprentice and planning to replace Sidious as the main Sith Lord.
I'm a Ventress fan and you're right that she is meant to fail. But so are all the villains. This new Savage guy will fail, a Maul clone would fail. Ultimately we know that Tyrannus and Grevious fail, and even Sidious himself some 20 years out. It's rare that the bad guys win permanently.
What the writers need to do is work on giving the bad guys a couple more victories here and there and spread out their appearances so the audience doesn't see them losing every week to the heroes. Continue to create more bad guys like Cad Bane, even though I'm not a fan. I don't get what makes him cool or badass. However, I do think creating Bane was a good move to spread around the failure. Bringing in the Mandalorians was a good move too. As is the Nightsisters for Season 3.
The Republic comics had quite a few baddies to spread the failure around, the other Dark Acolytes like Sora Bulq, Tol Skorr, or Sev'rance Tann. These are villains that can fight the Jedi with lightsabers too. Also, there was Durge (who also appeared in the Clone Wars animated shorts series). I hope they bring these characters into the mix.
Yeah that's my problem with Cad Bane...I don't get why so many fans think he's so cool. He's like a pale imitation of Boba Fett with a guttural voice and some cool guns. Granted, he's mysterious as far as where he comes from and who he is I guess (I'm still catching up on season two so forgive me if this has been addressed in the show and I've not read his character bio in the character encyclopedia yet). He just seems like another generic character.
I am a Ventress fan as well...have been since her first appearance in the Cartoon Network animated series.
I just re-watched "Episode III" again last night on Spike and couldn't help but think about things within the context of the Clone Wars series. I wonder what Ahsoka would have thought about the events surrounding her Master's downfall and corruption into the Sith Lord named Darth Vader? I've been thinking about doing an alternate universe fan fic where Ahoska survives the Clone Wars and joins the Rebellion. It would diminish Luke's role as the last Jedi in the universe but as we know from the EU we know that statement wasn't new...he's the last of the old and first of the new.
I am a Ventress fan as well...have been since her first appearance in the Cartoon Network animated series.
I just re-watched "Episode III" again last night on Spike and couldn't help but think about things within the context of the Clone Wars series. I wonder what Ahsoka would have thought about the events surrounding her Master's downfall and corruption into the Sith Lord named Darth Vader? I've been thinking about doing an alternate universe fan fic where Ahoska survives the Clone Wars and joins the Rebellion. It would diminish Luke's role as the last Jedi in the universe but as we know from the EU we know that statement wasn't new...he's the last of the old and first of the new.
You're right, you wouldn't be diminishing anything. A lot of Jedi survived Order 66, several of which even show up in the Legacy comic which takes place about 150 years after the OT. So you shouldn't worry about it. And the Dark Times comic currently is about a Jedi who survives the Purge. The Force Unleashed also featured some Jedi who survived the Purge, so there are quite a few Jedi around right after ROTS. Though I'm assuming that Vader and the Empire took a lot of them out or corrupted them before ANH.
I think you're not the only fan who wonders what an Ashoka-Vader meeting might entail, esp. if she knows that Anakin is Vader. There could be some great drama there.
I do wonder how they are going to handle the fate of Ashoka's character. Are they going to kill her off? Have her go missing? Perhaps saving the character's fate to be handled by the proposed live-action series? Or in a future video game, comic, etc? Personally I hope they kill her off and that it prompts another dark side outburst from Anakin. That would be the less messy way.
Though I guess they could let her live by having her become a knight during the series and getting her own Padawan and fighting in another theater during the events of ROTS. She survives the Purge and goes hunting for Anakin, Obi, etc. Then goes after Vader to kill or redeem him. A Vader-Ashoka battle could be pretty neat, like "The Duel 1.5" or something.
I think you're not the only fan who wonders what an Ashoka-Vader meeting might entail, esp. if she knows that Anakin is Vader. There could be some great drama there.
I do wonder how they are going to handle the fate of Ashoka's character. Are they going to kill her off? Have her go missing? Perhaps saving the character's fate to be handled by the proposed live-action series? Or in a future video game, comic, etc? Personally I hope they kill her off and that it prompts another dark side outburst from Anakin. That would be the less messy way.
Though I guess they could let her live by having her become a knight during the series and getting her own Padawan and fighting in another theater during the events of ROTS. She survives the Purge and goes hunting for Anakin, Obi, etc. Then goes after Vader to kill or redeem him. A Vader-Ashoka battle could be pretty neat, like "The Duel 1.5" or something.
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