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We just have to agree to disagree. I'm never changing my mind on this. A YA book is a YA book, and they're basically the type of book I hate the most.
This isn't a matter of opinion you can disagree on, this is a matter of facts you are wrong about. All I'm doing is trying to get you to understand that you can't just try to get around being wrong by saying it's just your opinio I've seen you do this countless times and it's rally driving me crazy. There's really nothing wrong with being wrong.
 
My mouse wheel's getting a workout with this thread.
Pretty much. Thus far, the only thing I feel like I understand is that there are Star Wars books out there that people like and don't like. But, I have yet to understand the vileness and bitterness of the opinions, so they make no sense. :shrug:

This isn't a matter of opinion you can disagree on, this is a matter of facts you are wrong about. All I'm doing is trying to get you to understand that you can't just try to get around being wrong by saying it's just your opinio I've seen you do this countless times and it's rally driving me crazy. There's really nothing wrong with being wrong.
JD, I've pretty much agreed with you in this thread, and appreciate your candid opinion. But, I don't think this point will get made. Any statements supporting YA books are ignored, and the categorical dismissal indicates that rather than consider other points of view, it's treated as immaterial.

It's frustrating, but I would say it might be time to move on.
 
Actually, i did say it technically added new characters, but that the new characters were only relevant for the book itself, and maybe a sequel if they make one. It didn't introduce someone like Mara Jade, a character that went on to be a fairly big part of the EU.

It is early yet.

As for the rest, remember, "someone is wrong on the Internet".
 
It's frustrating, but I would say it might be time to move on.

The ignore feature on the boards is your friend. It keeps you from feeding into a fact free echo chamber that is specially crafted not just to disqualify and delegitimize anything they don't like, but to actively exclude from reality any evidence or potential experience that might call into question knee jerk, reactionary positions built only in lands of pure imagination. It really has made my overall TrekBBS experience better.
 
Yeah, it doesn't mean TotJ or KotOR or TOR are officially canon, just that the post-Disney Story Group is taking pieces from those stories that they think work with the new universe they're building, and then twisting them to fit their needs. Malachor is already very different from what we got in KotOR II, for example.

If they do a show set during the last days of the Old Republic (which in the new canon seems to be different from the Republic established one thousand years before TPM) I'd actually really like to see something similar to John Jackson Miller's Knight Errant, about a young Jedi trapped in a Sith-controlled region of the galaxy in the dark age of the Old Republic, around one thousand years before TPM.

Hopefully they just ignore anything from Jedi vs. Sith. Blech.

There were at least two references to the "Old Republic" in TCW which indicates that while the Republic from the prequels was founded 1000 years ago, there was another one before that.
From the scraps of information we have, I get the impression that this Republic fell to the last Sith Empire before either the last Jedi leading a rebel force to beat them back or they simply self destructed from infighting. More likely a combination of the two.
Things that seem to support this general notion include lines like "there hasn't been a full scale war since the foundation of the Republic". Other clues include the darksaber being looted from the Jedi Temple "during the fall of the Old Republic", Huyang and his ship being at least 1000 years old and the ship sporting the seal of the Old Republic from SWTOR. Several mentions of the Sith and the Jedi dating back several thousand years from the 'Tarkin' novel (in reference to the Sith alter beneath the Coruscant temple) as well as the Great Scourge of Malachor.

I never got around to reading 'Jedi vs. Sith' myself. Is it really that bad?

It's frustrating, but I would say it might be time to move on.

Long past time. It's practically taken over the thread and to no benefit of anyone.
I understand the frustration, but I've learnt from experience that this cat is either an obstinate fool, or an attention seeking troll. Either way it's just not worth engaging.
 
This isn't a matter of opinion you can disagree on, this is a matter of facts you are wrong about. All I'm doing is trying to get you to understand that you can't just try to get around being wrong by saying it's just your opinio I've seen you do this countless times and it's rally driving me crazy. There's really nothing wrong with being wrong.

I'm not wrong, and honestly I'm getting sick of this. YA books, in my opinion, are crap. They have the same style, and the same cliches and tropes that piss me off. Its made for a very small, specific group, and that's fine. But I hate them, and won't read them. I am not wrong about any of that, its my opinion and if you don't like it I honestly don't care. I'm also done arguing with you. Wew could argue until one of us dies of old age and my opinion won't budge. The conversation just goes absolutely nowhere. Its annoying me, its almost certainly annoying you and its annoying everyone else at this point. I'm done talking about YA books, at least in the context of this overly long conversation.

Okay.
Personally, I thought Legends got really bad at the end, esp. Legacy of the Force onwards. The only stuff I was liking were the occasional stand alones that were flashbacks to the earlier eras.

I loved the old EU, and the only bad book series it did in my opinion was that terrible Dark Nest Trilogy. Now, there were a few bad individual books, and terrible things like Mara Jade's fate and the everything involving Jacen Solo from New Jedi Order onward. But, in the end, I really enjoy the vast majority of the old EU.

The ignore feature on the boards is your friend. It keeps you from feeding into a fact free echo chamber that is specially crafted not just to disqualify and delegitimize anything they don't like, but to actively exclude from reality any evidence or potential experience that might call into question knee jerk, reactionary positions built only in lands of pure imagination. It really has made my overall TrekBBS experience better.

Its also apparently a great way to only hear opinions you agree with. I wish I thought that was a good idea, it would make my posting less stressful, but I don't like the idea of ignoring people I don't agree with, its just too limiting (I say in reply to a poster I know can't see the post, but I still felt the need to make a general reply).
 
OK, it's time to move on. Sorry for getting so carried away everyone.
I hit the start of ANH in Lost Stars last night, so now we're getting to the stuff that I've been really curious about. I'm already getting a kick out of seeing the opening of ANH from the other side. They also seem to be setting up who's going to join the Rebels, so now I'm curious if it will be that person, or if they'll throw a twist in there.
 
OK, it's time to move on. Sorry for getting so carried away everyone.
I hit the start of ANH in Lost Stars last night, so now we're getting to the stuff that I've been really curious about. I'm already getting a kick out of seeing the opening of ANH from the other side. They also seem to be setting up who's going to join the Rebels, so now I'm curious if it will be that person, or if they'll throw a twist in there.
Have you thought about rereading the ANH novelization to see how it overlaps or differs? I've been thinking about picking it up again to see what's the same and what has changed over the years.
 
Have you thought about rereading the ANH novelization to see how it overlaps or differs? I've been thinking about picking it up again to see what's the same and what has changed over the years.
IIRC there's already a fair amount of disparity between the novelisation and the movie, presumably because Foster (for obvious reasons) only had a shooting from which to work, not the final edited movie.
Though the only one that leaps to mind is 'Red Squadron' becoming 'Blue Squadron'.
 
IIRC there's already a fair amount of disparity between the novelisation and the movie, presumably because Foster (for obvious reasons) only had a shooting from which to work, not the final edited movie.
Though the only one that leaps to mind is 'Red Squadron' becoming 'Blue Squadron'.

The bar fight was a lot different (more brawlers, for one). The leader of "Blue" Squadron tells Luke that he remembers serving with Luke's father before the final battle. A lot of tweaked and extra lines.
 
IIRC there's already a fair amount of disparity between the novelisation and the movie, presumably because Foster (for obvious reasons) only had a shooting from which to work, not the final edited movie.
Though the only one that leaps to mind is 'Red Squadron' becoming 'Blue Squadron'.
That's actually due to them being Blue Squad originally, until the blue screen effect wouldn't work with the blue logos. Which is why R2's blue panels are black in the trench run.
 
Have any of you guys read the new OT novelizations that came out recently?
 
The bar fight was a lot different (more brawlers, for one). The leader of "Blue" Squadron tells Luke that he remembers serving with Luke's father before the final battle. A lot of tweaked and extra lines.
Now that I think about it, I think it also describes Kenobi being cut down as being a bit more graphic than it appeared in the final edit. I've seen deleted footage that shows they tried to do an effect that made it look like the body disappeared after it was sliced in half, rather than just as Vader's saber makes contact. It wasn't very convincing, which is probably why it was dropped. Another result of working from the script, one must assume.

That's actually due to them being Blue Squad originally, until the blue screen effect wouldn't work with the blue logos. Which is why R2's blue panels are black in the trench run.

Oh I'm aware. Makes you wonder how they managed to forget this when they came to make Jedi as they ran into exactly the same problem with the A-Wings having blue markings. Unless I'm misremembering of course and the blue markings were only on McQuarrie's concept art and never the actual miniatures. It's possible Ralph was simply not told to avoid blue.
 
Oh I'm aware. Makes you wonder how they managed to forget this when they came to make Jedi as they ran into exactly the same problem with the A-Wings having blue markings. Unless I'm misremembering of course and the blue markings were only on McQuarrie's concept art and never the actual miniatures. It's possible Ralph was simply not told to avoid blue.
I figured you knew, and was kind of rambling off random facts. It's pretty well known. It's odd because all the concept art is blue and some models, but I can't tell for sure when they were made.
 
I figured you knew, and was kind of rambling off random facts. It's pretty well known. It's odd because all the concept art is blue and some models, but I can't tell for sure when they were made.
Logically it seems likely that it's something they noticed at the prototyping phase, before they finalised the design and started building the filming miniatures and full scale mock-ups. Otherwise they would have had to go back and re-film all of that hanger footage, which as far as I know, didn't happen.

I've never seen an image of a blue painted A-Wing filming miniature, so again I have to presume it was caught prior to filming. Certainly before the hanger matt painting was made, since that's the only place we saw one on the deck.
 
There were at least two references to the "Old Republic" in TCW which indicates that while the Republic from the prequels was founded 1000 years ago, there was another one before that.
From the scraps of information we have, I get the impression that this Republic fell to the last Sith Empire before either the last Jedi leading a rebel force to beat them back or they simply self destructed from infighting. More likely a combination of the two.
Things that seem to support this general notion include lines like "there hasn't been a full scale war since the foundation of the Republic". Other clues include the darksaber being looted from the Jedi Temple "during the fall of the Old Republic", Huyang and his ship being at least 1000 years old and the ship sporting the seal of the Old Republic from SWTOR. Several mentions of the Sith and the Jedi dating back several thousand years from the 'Tarkin' novel (in reference to the Sith alter beneath the Coruscant temple) as well as the Great Scourge of Malachor.
Yeah, and I recall one of the clones (though I can't remember which) in TCW making a reference to the days of the Old Republic, as well. And dialogue in ROTS from Mace Windu ("The oppression of the Sith will never return!") and Darth Sidious ("Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy!") also seem to imply the galaxy being under Sith rule at some point, likely in the years preceding the destruction of the old Sith and Darth Bane instituting the Rule of Two. It's a simpler way of handling the thousand generations/thousand years incongruity than what the old EU came up with, where technically the Republic never actually fell but was 'reorganized' after the war that led to the extinction of the Sith. It's simpler in the new canon.
I never got around to reading 'Jedi vs. Sith' myself. Is it really that bad?
Yes.
 
Have any of you guys read the new OT novelizations that came out recently?

I read The Princess, the Smuggler, and the Farmboy. The writing gimmick was pulled off pretty well. Although there are extensive scenes that take liberties with the movie's version of events (to fit all the important information in), there are quite a few new scenes that expand on the story and add to canon.
 
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