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My suspicion is that if there's a second animated project in the works then it's not another show, but a movie or mini-series.
If I had to guess, I'd say they're doing the Maul/Ahsoka 'Siege of Mandalore' arc. I've noticed over the past few years that they've kept that part of the undeveloped scripts fairly close to the chest, as if they're not quite done with it yet.
Even the recent 'Ahsoka' novel only barely grazes that material when you'd think it'd dive in with both feet and from what the author has said, she was only given a rough description of the scene and two lines of dialogue, not the full script. This to me suggests they're saving it for something else.
I tend to agree though that whatever it is it should probably be pre-OT. Seems like they ought to at least wait until Episode IX is done before exploring the post-RotJ period. The Darth Bane/Fall of the Old Republic period seems like a more likely candidate than KoTOR as in a sense it is to the Prequel era what the Prequels are to the OT.
Not that there can't be interesting stories set in the intervening millennia, just that the events that kick off in TMP are a direct carry on from that time and to skip over it to an even earlier period would seem a bit odd.
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I'll admit I could be more diplomatic in how I refer to the stuff I dislike. But, I disagree with the "logical fallacy". When it comes down to it, I know that, in my opinion, YA books are automatically bad. That is not an objective statement, its only applicable to me personally. There is no YA book that I wouldn't consider to be bad. For me, it is true. It might not be for you and you don't have to agree, which is fine, but it is a definitive fact for me. There is no such thing as a YA book that I don't think is terrible. Same with the kiddie SW books.
I know Bloodlines is a GA book, but I don't want to read something by the author of Lost Stars. Bloodlines was already the least interesting new canon GA book to me (not counting A new Dawn before I read it), but I probably would have gotten to it, after I'd read the rest of the new canon GA stuff I have to read (Twilight Company, Heir to the Jedi, Dark Disciple, and Aftermath: Life Debt are the other new canon books I need to read to be up to date with the new canon). But, now I'll just read the wookiepedia entry on Bloodlines. A book with a boring topic (politics, like those intolerable Padme episodes of TCW) and written by the YA author? No thanks. Like I've said, the GA books aren't all good. I would have noticed the author when I got around to it and skipped over it then, but now I just know to avoid it entirely.
There are a lot of Old Republic rumours circulating though. Animated series, a movie in the anthology series, a Netflix series and so on. I guess it's only inevitable something will eventually be done.
The Marvel comics-during the Nar Shadda arc-did at least sort of confirm that some of the Old Republic stuff is still canon-the One Hundred Year Darkness, the first major schism of the Jedi which led to the Sith. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hundred-Year_Darkness
There's been all kinds of nods and name drops to the EU Old Republic material over the years from Mandalorian Crusader helmets, to the Hammerhead inspired ships showing up in Rebels & Rogue One, the appearance of Onderon & Malachor, the Old Republic seal showing up in TCW and the Sith Empire equivalent in the recent Lando comic. Double-bladed sabers, holocrons and Moraband (née Korriban) also all came out of that material.
However I'd stop short of claiming any of this makes the previous material canon. As they did with Malachor they could simply use a name and/or a general concept and reshape it to tell a new story. Indeed, this is by far the most likely scenario since it's difficult to disentangle certain EU stories from one-another. Making one canon in it's entirety would consequently make the 15 others that it references so, and so on and so forth. It's like the Tommy Westphall effect. Eventually everything would get pulled back in!
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See this is the problem, these are not subjective things that you can just brush off as your opinion. These are concrete facts, style is a very specific thing that can be looked at and objectively analyzed. The same thing goes for saying two books are the same, it's quick and easy to compare whether or not two books are the same.I'm making statements that are part of my opinion. As far as I'm concerned, I'm right. You're under no obligation to agree, and I honestly don't understand why you can't just let it go. I know all I need to about the books contents. As far as I'm concerned, YA books are all the same style. The big differences between Tiwlight and Lost Stars is plot details and setting. Again, you don't have to agree. But, its what I believe, and I'm not going to change my mind just because my statements annoy some people. I know more then enough about YA books to know exactly what Lost Stars is. I don't need to read everything I hate to know I hate it. I'm never going to change my opinions about this, and I'm honestly not trying to irritate anyone. I'm sorry you seem so annoyed by what I think, but when it comes to what I think my opinion is absolutely correct, in the context of that I like and dislike and what I know about YA and kiddie books. That's not going to change, no matter how much back and fourth we have
Here:
Twilight:
Modern Fantasy
First person from female lead
Vampire
focused on romance as one of the main elements
Lost Stars:
Star Wars
Third person focusing on male and female leads
Space ships and aliens
romance is a secondary element
Whether or not it adds anything to the universe is also easily proven:
It adds:
Lots of new characters
At least one new droid
At least one new creature
It shows us what people's attitudes towards the Empire are like
It shows what life it like at the Imperial Academy on Courscant
Imperial officers on starship duty survive on a liquid diet
That's only in the first 89 pages, I'm pretty sure the next 200+ are going to add even more. There are also a few other things I'm probably forgetting, those are just the first ones that come to mind right away.
You could maybe say you don't think it adds anything to the movies, but to that it doesn't add anything is just not true.
So now you're going to refuse to read a book just because the author wrote a YA book? If you will never read anything by anybody who has ever written YA then you're going to have to be very careful who you read, because there are a lot of popular writers, like Neil Gaiman, Terry Brooks, and James Patterson ,who write both YA and adult books.
Yeah, it doesn't mean TotJ or KotOR or TOR are officially canon, just that the post-Disney Story Group is taking pieces from those stories that they think work with the new universe they're building, and then twisting them to fit their needs. Malachor is already very different from what we got in KotOR II, for example.There's been all kinds of nods and name drops to the EU Old Republic material over the years from Mandalorian Crusader helmets, to the Hammerhead inspired ships showing up in Rebels & Rogue One, the appearance of Onderon & Malachor, the Old Republic seal showing up in TCW and the Sith Empire equivalent in the recent Lando comic. Double-bladed sabers, holocrons and Moraband (née Korriban) also all came out of that material.
However I'd stop short of claiming any of this makes the previous material canon. As they did with Malachor they could simply use a name and/or a general concept and reshape it to tell a new story. Indeed, this is by far the most likely scenario since it's difficult to disentangle certain EU stories from one-another. Making one canon in it's entirety would consequently make the 15 others that it references so, and so on and so forth. It's like the Tommy Westphall effect. Eventually everything would get pulled back in!
If they do a show set during the last days of the Old Republic (which in the new canon seems to be different from the Republic established one thousand years before TPM) I'd actually really like to see something similar to John Jackson Miller's Knight Errant, about a young Jedi trapped in a Sith-controlled region of the galaxy in the dark age of the Old Republic, around one thousand years before TPM.
Hopefully they just ignore anything from Jedi vs. Sith. Blech.
Out of curiosity have you ever read something or seen something that you've previously formed an opinion about by reading a wikipedia article about and think hey this is better then I presumed its going to be? Because you say its just your opinion, but your opinion is based you've read about the plot. Seems like your opinion is based on second hand information.. ie not the source itself...
Oh and I can't say if Bloodlines is any good myself as I haven't read it yet, but at least I am willing to give it a go.
Like I said, settings and story details are different, but its all the same style and the same cliches/tropes.
The characters don't matter, even the Ewoks cartoon added characters. It didn't make them important to the universe. Every SW book set in the OT talks about the Empire and shows people react to it, that's nothing Lost Stars has done differently. Life in the imperial academy is basically the definition of fluff, and having a liquid diet is so moronic there is no way any other writer actually uses that. So, yeah, its all fluff, things other books have done before and will do again, characters that only matter in the context of the book and a few stupid things that no one will probably ever use.
Nope, I'm refusing to read any books by the author of the SW Twilight book. It only took a quick search to find that Claudia Gray's most well known personal work is literally a vampire romance YA series called Evernight. She literally went from Twilight-lite to SW. Of her other two series, Spellcaster is about a teen girl who learns about magic and "yearns" to get together with a guy. The other series is basically a YA version of the TV show Sliders, complete with romance. Literally all the book series she's created are very specifically YA romance in fantasy and sci fi settings, and that's all info from her own website. She also wrote a YA romance book about a girl on the Titanic who gets "captivated" by a first class passenger (its a standalone book instead of a series). So, yeah, now that I know more about her specifically she's basically even more into writing the kind of books that I loathe then I thought she was. Bloodlines would seem to be the only book she's written that isn't explicitly a romance.
Neil Gaiman sure has hell hasn't written anything really YA, at least not what I'd count. he has some kiddie stuff like Coraline, but there is a difference between that and Tiwlight/Lost Stars/etc. He's also mostly known for he really great writing that is about as far away from YA as you can get. I don't like Terry Brooks or James Patterson's works, so that doesn't matter. I might read real books by YA authors on a case by case basis, especially when the vast majority of the writer's work isn't YA (that's the category Neil Gaiman is in). But,
I don't know, I kinda feel like making a statement like that moves you from subjective opinion to making an ostensibly judgement, which is where we start getting into logical deductions, reasoning, fallacies, and whatnot. (The fact that I do not follow your reasoning behind your opinions doesn't help.) But whatever. Your the one writing your reading list.
It's up to you, but from having read it, you'd never guess that Claudia Gray was a YA author (zero YA cliches in the text). It's pretty complex and puts most of the other GA Star Wars stuff to shame. I'm 99.99% sure cutting your nose off to spite your face here and would strongly suggest reconsidering (you didn't think you'd like A New Dawn and look what came of that). But, hey, it's a free country.
I've finally gotten a chance to read some of the Darth Vader comics. Pretty good stuff and really like the new characters (Aphra, Triple-Zero, Bee Tee).[/QUOTE]
No it's not, and no it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, this is a matter fact coming from someone who has read the book and (OK, time for me to admit something embarrassing) who watched the first Twilight movie, and actually enjoyed it. I didn't like the book when I tried the sample though, so I never lied. So trust me when I tell you as someone who knows both stories and can tell you with absolutely certainty that there are no story points, or cliches or tropes in common. Again this is NOT A MATTER OF OPINION THIS IS A FACT.
You said it didn't add anything, but it did add stuff. So can't you please just once admit you were wrong there.
Not every book an author writes is going to be the same kind of book.
Neil Gaiman sure has hell hasn't written anything really YA, at least not what I'd count. he has some kiddie stuff like Coraline, but there is a difference between that and Tiwlight/Lost Stars/etc. He's also mostly known for he really great writing that is about as far away from YA as you can get. I don't like Terry Brooks or James Patterson's works, so that doesn't matter. I might read real books by YA authors on a case by case basis, especially when the vast majority of the writer's work isn't YA (that's the category Neil Gaiman is in). But,[/QUOTE]
Ok, I guess Coraline isn't YA, you are right there. Sorry I meant Terry Pratchett not Brooks, I was specifically referring to Nation and the Tiffany Aching books.
We just have to agree to disagree. I'm never changing my mind on this. A YA book is a YA book, and they're basically the type of book I hate the most.
Actually, i did say it technically added new characters, but that the new characters were only relevant for the book itself, and maybe a sequel if they make one. It didn't introduce someone like Mara Jade, a character that went on to be a fairly big part of the EU.
She has, as far as I can see based at looking on her own website, written exactly one book that wasn't a YA romance, and that was Bloodline. An author who writes only one type of book (with various settings, but all explicitly YA romance) and writes a bunch of them does not suddenly write a completely different type of book, or at least not a good one. Its a book on a topic I don't like (politics) written by an author who's bibliography is about 99% the type of books I hate the most. The only situation where I'd be less likely to read a GA SW book then this one would be if it was a book about the TCW or rebels version of mandalorians.
I've read some of Pratchett's discworld books, they ranged from fine to pretty good and none of the ones I read were YA. I certainly wouldn't read a YA book by him.
A New Dawn's author had a solid track record with writing SW books, so it was the Rebels connection that kept me away from AND, but in the end I knew the author was solid regardless of my opinion of the characters he had to use. Like I said, Bloodline was already at the bottom of the to-read new canon pile because of its subject matter. Having read a summary, its a politics story like all those horrible Padme episodes of tCW. I have no desire to read about political stuff in the SW universe, at least when it comes to a whole book about it. Focusing on politics made for terrible episodes in TCW, it was a big problem (among many, admittedly) in The Phantom Menace and almost never worked well in the old EU. The only reason I was going to read it is because of how new the new canon is and how view GA books there are so far. Its author being an almost exclusively YA romance author is more then enough to make me never read it.
Bloodline does have important material relating to Episode 8, which was contributed by Rian Johnson.
I didn't say that Bloodline had nothing important in it somewhere, just that I'd never read it. Between wikipedia and wookiepedia, all the stuff relevant to the movies is available without reading the book. Not that I particularly cared about the whens, whys and hows of the forming of the Resistance and First Order, I think TFA did fine with its explanations. I really don't care what events lead to the political situation of TFA, its just a way to recreate the Rebellion vs the empire fight decades after the OT. But, I still got all the relevant info without suffering through a boring political novel written by a YA romance writer.
Isn't it a little too early to tell how big the characters will become when the book is only a year old? Even Mara, a big name in Legends, fell out of use or was only a minor character for years after her introduction. As I recall, it wasn't until '99 or so that she became a mainstay in the core cast of the post-movie books.
I thought she pulled it off with style, personally.
Fair enough, I will concede that I would think twice under the circumstances.
Really? I would, at the very least out of curiosity as to what he had come up with.
For what it's worth, I hate political thrillers and found the book good, so I'm not sure that part would be a problem. There is plenty of missions undertaken in the story, so it's not all talk and talk. You will be missing out on one of the best Star Wars books in a long time period. But, that's your call, I'm just stressing that you've got nothing to loose by giving it a shot and could get a lot out of it.
Summaries don't do this one justice and wikis aren't always reliable. It's a very character-driven story, and that gets lost in summaries.
I don't tolerate books I dislike at all. I can get through bad movies if I need to, but trying to read a book I don't like is a lot harder. I really don't agree about Bloodline being the best SW book in a long time period. The old EU was 90% good to amazing books all the way to the end (2013, with Crucible), and the new canon books I've read were all good (even Aftermath, although it had flaws). If there is one thing the SW franchise doesn't lack, its good books. The new canon doesn't have many books period, but even just judging them among themselves Bloodline wouldn't beat Tarkin or Lords of the Sith even if it had a good writer.
In the end, I have nothing to lose by skipping Bloodline, and the gain is using my time to read a quality book I'll enjoy instead.
Okay.
Well, since you're not reading it, you don't exactly have any data to verify that, but I will concede the point that you don't believe there's any reason for you to think that it could be good.
Personally, I thought Legends got really bad at the end, esp. Legacy of the Force onwards. The only stuff I was liking were the occasional stand alones that were flashbacks to the earlier eras.
I'd argue that it trumped them pretty heavily, in terms to story structure, character development, and the like, but that's me. I will agree that the canon novels have been generally good overall.
Whatever.
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