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Yeah, and I recall one of the clones (though I can't remember which) in TCW making a reference to the days of the Old Republic, as well. And dialogue in ROTS from Mace Windu ("The oppression of the Sith will never return!") and Darth Sidious ("Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy!") also seem to imply the galaxy being under Sith rule at some point, likely in the years preceding the destruction of the old Sith and Darth Bane instituting the Rule of Two. It's a simpler way of handling the thousand generations/thousand years incongruity than what the old EU came up with, where technically the Republic never actually fell but was 'reorganized' after the war that led to the extinction of the Sith. It's simpler in the new canon.Yes.

It's possible the Sith have conquered the galaxy more than once prior to Palpatine. There's a line in one of the Zygerrian episodes where Sidious mentions previous Sith Empires, plural. Now that could also just mean that there was a sequence of events similar to the EU version where the Sith were at one point this little isolationist Empire, hiding out in an uncharted corner of the galaxy (not unlike the First Order, come to think of it.) Another possibility is that the Sith Lords constant infighting resulted in a schism that split the old Sith Empire into two or more separate entities. Maybe this happened over and over across the centuries and millennia.

Personally I prefer the latter option as I was never really happy with the way the Sith were said to evolve in the EU. Another casualty of multiple authors having conflicting ideas and later ones attempting to stitch them together into one barely coherent whole.
Instead of the Sith being some primitive culture conquered by exiled fallen Jedi, I think it could be more interesting if the Jedi and Sith orders (in very different forms) once co-existed in balance. Maybe they were even one and the same until there was some doctrinal crisis and the Sith faction rejected the light and the notion of the cosmic/living force cycle and embraced the darkside. I've said before that I think the fundamental doctrinal disagreement between the two is that the Sith are fixated on the material realm and reject the idea of the netherworld of the cosmic force.

In the Ventress novel there's a little insight into the practices of the Nightsisters and it seems they could draw on the darkside without letting it consume them as the Sith do. It's far from easy, but could possibly point to a remnant of that theoretical pre-Sith order, when they and the Jedi were still "brothers in the force".
 
and the Sith faction rejected the [...] notion of the cosmic/living force cycle

There is still no evidence of any such thing.

I've said before that I think the fundamental doctrinal disagreement between the two is that the Sith are fixated on the material realm and reject the idea of the netherworld of the cosmic force.

In actual fact the fundamental doctrinal disagreement between them is quite obvious: they adhere to different sides of the Force.

fireproof78 said:
Explain, please

How times change. In the days of Drew Karpyshyn and his Bane books, a lot of people said "This sucks, Jedi vs. Sith did it right".
 
Do we really want to get bogged down in another one of these debates? I just didn't like it. The writing, the art style, most of the design choices. Wasn't my cup of tea.
I don't think they were arguing, just asking for clarification on your critique.

I did actually start reading it once but never got very far. What little I saw didn't do very much for me, though I can't really remember why. Didn't leave much of any impression on me apparantly, which I suppose should tell me something right there.
 
I don't think they were arguing, just asking for clarification on your critique.

I did actually start reading it once but never got very far. What little I saw didn't do very much for me, though I can't really remember why. Didn't leave much of any impression on me apparantly, which I suppose should tell me something right there.
As usual, it's just best to read it and form your own opinion. Sounds like it's been a while since you last tried, so it might be worth another shot.
 
Do we really want to get bogged down in another one of these debates? I just didn't like it. The writing, the art style, most of the design choices. Wasn't my cup of tea.
No, that's fine. I just was surprised because I had seen so many people utilize that book for Jedi and Sith development, and concepts in RPGs, so I wasn't sure if it was some part of the lore that you didn't like, or just the book style.

I personally liked some of the Jedi parts, and the lightsaber combat, but the Sith and other Force users sections were a bit thin for my tastes. I actually like the Jedi Way and Sith Code books a whole more.
 
Am I the only one that misses the Old EU around here.

The only one who loves the Vong Invasion storyline?

The only one who loves the "OP"ness of the EU over the minimalism of the PT/OT/ST?

Tell me I'm not one man alone against a galaxy.
 
I do miss parts of the old EU, yeah, but it's still there if I ever want to go back and read any old favorites. In terms of impact on the storyline, most of the old EU is better off ignored.
 
For me it goes on a case-by-case basis.

Some of that stuff I miss.

With certain other stuff I'm happy it's gone. Like dancing on its grave happy.
 
I do miss parts of the old EU, yeah, but it's still there if I ever want to go back and read any old favorites. In terms of impact on the storyline, most of the old EU is better off ignored.
Then I guess you don't like it then? Why oh why I mean I get so emotional about this-the Star Wars EU made the franchise more than six or 9 or 12 movies. It's worldbuilding was only surpassed by LOTR period.

I'm just so depressed over it.
 
For me it goes on a case-by-case basis.

Some of that stuff I miss.

With certain other stuff I'm happy it's gone. Like dancing on its grave happy.
That's exactly what I'm talking about downright hurtful, I just want it back. :(:(:(:(:(-cries gallons of tears.
 
Granted, I never read much of the old EU to begin with, but of the handful of Legends novels I have read, only two or three stand out as being any good. So, yeah, not really bothered it's gone. Besides, the good stuff will like be incorporated into the Story Group's canon as they see fit anyway. Assuming of course it doesn't conflict with their stuff in any serious way.
 
Granted, I never read much of the old EU to begin with, but of the handful of Legends novels I have read, only two or three stand out as being any good. So, yeah, not really bothered it's gone. Besides, the good stuff will like be incorporated into the Story Group's canon as they see fit anyway. Assuming of course it doesn't conflict with their stuff in any serious way.
How much have you read exactly? The NJO through FOTJ? The Bantam Era stuff? The Republic and Prequel Era stuff?

You say you never read much of it and then say not much of it was good.

Come on man people like me were attached to those characters, those events, those placed, I'd invested in it emotionally, financially, intellectually, and arguably spiritually. Your so callous.
 
I read a lot of it up to the middle of the war with the Vong. I stopped after Star by Star due to lack of time and income as I had just gotten out of college. I did get a few after than, but on a case by case basis since there were just too many coming at once by then to keep up. Most of the novels were fine. There were a few that came out just before the Hand of Thrawn duology that were a bit too weird and/or dull for my tastes.
 
I read a lot of it up to the middle of the war with the Vong. I stopped after Star by Star due to lack of time and income as I had just gotten out of college. I did get a few after than, but on a case by case basis since there were just too many coming at once by then to keep up. Most of the novels were fine. There were a few that came out just before the Hand of Thrawn duology that were a bit too weird and/or dull for my tastes.
Did you read Traitor by Matthew Stover?
 
Am I the only one that misses the Old EU around here.
Depends on the book.
The only one who loves the Vong Invasion storyline?
I have no idea but I cannot stand the Vong. Everything I have read, from books, to databanks, to concepts, etc, makes me cringe.
The only one who loves the "OP"ness of the EU over the minimalism of the PT/OT/ST?
I have no idea what this means.
Tell me I'm not one man alone against a galaxy.
It depends on which galaxy.
 
I've read about 90% of the EU and I'm a massive fan of it. That will always be "my" Star Wars. That being said, there was never any question they had to reboot it and I'm excited to see what happens in the new continuity, even if I haven't been thrilled with most of the novels thus far.
 
I'm also a massive old EU fan. I get that they had to reboot, but the old EU will always be what I consider Star Wars when I think about the franchise. I love Episode VII and I like the new books I've read so I'm interested in the new canon stuff, but it will never actually take the place of the old EU for me. I can still enjoy it, but the old EU will always be my favorite.

The New Jedi Order was pretty good, but too long. It also ruined Jacen Solo, and had the single worst SW book I've ever read (Traitor). Still, not a bad series. Compared to the other universe effecting book series, it was definitely better as a story and concept then the stupid Dark Nest trilogy, and I'd say its better then most of Legacy of the Force, which was a case of the ending retroactively ruining most of the series for me. Fate of the Jedi was also not as good, but still decent. I think the long, universe effecting book series (which NJO started) weren't the strong point of the old EU, but like the EU in general managed to be mostly good, with a few exceptions.
 
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