Star Trek's 50th anniversary bluray movie, may be STTMP

[jefferiestubes8]

Pretty much where I'm at. Star Trek: The Motion Picture in 4K with all three version and seamless branching? I'd easily pay $40-$50 for it.

Come 2017 CBS (Paramount) will run out of product to release for home video unless they start putting out Blu-ray best of 10 episode blu-ray TV packs. So I would say that even though CBSAA will have the new 2017 Trek TV series and eventual home video blu-ray release in Autumn 2017 I am going to guess Paramount would have to release something in May to July 2017. So back to the archive and STTMP seems like a logical choice.
I don't think all of TOS on UHD 4k Blu-ray format is going to be a huge money maker for them so I don't think they would do it until 2018. Or they would test the waters with a best-of episode 4k UHD blu-ray of TOS episodes...
I know this is the feature film forum but in thinking about IP to release from Trek they could also do the same for DS9/VOY in UHD 4k since I can't really see them spending the money for a HD remaster at this point of DS9/VOY in 2016 when the road ahead is clearly UHD 4k to sell in 5 years from now for streaming.
The real question is what kind of special features if any would Paramount CBS Home Video do for the first 10 feature films if they release one at a time? more audio commentaries?
I do not need to see STV:TFF in UHD 4k...

 

[Tomalak]

I'm not quite following your logic. They won't spend the money to remaster DS9 or Voyager at all, so why would they spend even more money next year to remaster them in a tiny niche format?

Their experience with TNG told them there's no point in spending millions remastering the show, because the people who want to watch Star Trek will happily continue to do so in DVD quality. They remastered the entirety of TNG from the ground up, making it look better than anyone ever thought possible, and the ultimate response was little more than a shrug.

But that argument has been done to death in the DS9 forum!

 

[Lance]

The days when Trek was a 'signature tentpole franchise' for CBS/Paramount are long gone. TNG-R was basically the last gasp of that. These days, they'll always opt for the maximum-profit-for-minimum-effort business model.

 

[BillJ]

These days, they'll always opt for the maximum-profit-for-minimum-effort business model.

Not exactly. Or else we wouldn't be getting a new TV series.

 

[Greg Cox]

Not exactly. Or else we wouldn't be getting a new TV series.

And a new movie.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I'm not quite following your logic. They won't spend the money to remaster DS9 or Voyager at all, so why would they spend even more money next year to remaster them in a tiny niche format?

Their experience with TNG told them there's no point in spending millions remastering the show, because the people who want to watch Star Trek will happily continue to do so in DVD quality. They remastered the entirety of TNG from the ground up, making it look better than anyone ever thought possible, and the ultimate response was little more than a shrug.

But that argument has been done to death in the DS9 forum!

And it won't stop either. Are there enough DS9 supporters which could endorse a remaster?

 

[BillJ]

And it won't stop either. Are there enough DS9 supporters which could endorse a remaster?

Endorsements don't matter. Whether it'll sell does.

 

[Lance]

Not exactly. Or else we wouldn't be getting a new TV series.

And a new movie.

Well, fair point gentlemen. But you know what I meant, they are generally inclined towards treating the Trek back catalogue as more of a means-to-an-end rather than (so to speak) giving them the attention they deserve. Their devotion to going all out for TNG-R certainly burned them badly enough that they may be cautious now not to sink money into another unprofitable black hole.

If the new TV series is a hit then I think the position will be very different.

 

[drt]

I think part of the problem is that Paramout and CBS have gone back to the Trek well so many times in the past twenty years, repackaging the same old stuff, that they've poisoned the well for getting people to buy something that's actually new.

 

[KarmicCurse]

Another issue is that we've all become cynical with these double and triple dips. I've learned the hard way to wait on a first release because something is always withheld for another edition. For example, when the Khan blu-ray was only the theatrical cut, you could easily predict another dip with the director's cut. So I rented it from the library and waited. My DVD is nice enough.

It's one thing if they sincerely are not planning future editions at the time, or they are years apart. It's rather conniving when they plan double dips in advance. For example, I remember the director of "Casino Royale" saying he had recorded a commentary but it was not on the initial release because "they always have to double up on these things". It showed up a year or two later on another release with more features (which are not on the current release to add to the confusion, so the get the used version as I did.)

Someone is inevitably going to explain basic market forces to me: marketing; sales; new product; etc. I already understand that, thanks. I just don't like feeling tricked.

And don't get me started on the Lucas and/or Spielberg releases. Ugh.

So I just wait a few months until a release goes down to $7 or so for a week at Best Buy, or get it used at FYE for even less. The industry's brilliant marketers ruined its credibility.

Pity about the TNG blu-rays not selling well. I rented them from the library and they are indeed very nicely done, and great features! I know they were expensive to produce, but the subsequent cost was just way too prohibitive for me to buy them, and I think that's what hurt sales. Also Netflix.

 

[Trekkin]

Wasn't that just for the one DVD release? My VHS and (later) Bluray have the guns.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Yeah. To his credit, Spielberg realized and admitted he screwed up and reversed the change on the Blu-Ray edition.

"I was overly sensitive to some of the criticism E.T. got from parent groups when it was first released in '82 having to do with Elliot saying ‘penis breath’ or the guns... And then there were certain brilliant, but rough-around-the-edges close-ups of E.T. that I always felt, if technology ever evolves to the point where I can do some facial enhancement for E.T., I'd like to...I realized that what I had done was I had robbed the people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T. And I regretted that."

 

[One Lucky Red Shirt]

I feels like so many do here. Im happy with the news of the director's cut of khan being released and TAS. If it sells good than we will see the release of the other TOS FILMS. I can see how paramount is using Khan to test the waters. If it sells good than we might get TMP.

Im gonna make sure to pick it up the first day it comes out. But thats just me. My purchase isnt squat unless a million other people pick it up. Same goes for TAS. Even though i do have the whole TNG on dvd, i didnt pick it up on blu ray. Havent even seen it. Im more a TOS Fan than anything. But the studio is definitely using TWOK for a trial. If it sells then we will see TMP And the other TOS FILMS REMASTERED ON BLU RAY.

 

[BillJ]

But the studio is definitely using TWOK for a trial. If it sells then we will see TMP And the other TOS FILMS REMASTERED ON BLU RAY.

I'll pick it up in hopes it leads to TMP. But I have a feeling other films would be ahead in line if more releases happen. I imagine The Voyage Home, The Undiscovered Country and First Contact would all be remastered for 4K before TMP.

 

[Kronos]

The best case scenario will be it will be 2-4-6-8, more likely just 8, the rest will live with the bad transfers, the reboot series will get more attention.

 

[BillJ]

I do wonder... Why couldn't they reintegrate the theatrical effects back into the Director's Edition?

 

[Leto_II]

Probably because, in terms of directorial intent, the "revised" visual effects were what Wise mostly preferred (based upon previous, discarded storyboarding, etc.), and are considered a major, fundamental characteristic of the project. Basically, lose the updated VFX, and you lose maybe 50% of the entire point of the new cut.

 

[mos6507]

Physical media isn't dead yet, but it's definitely waning in favor of streaming. I just don't think there's as much money left to be made from physical discs anymore, especially when you're trying to sell films this old that have already come out in many formats.

Even music like with iTunes is shifting over to streaming. People would rather just pay for the right to use the cloud like a big file-server. That's where things are headed. Of course, what gets streamed should be the highest quality source material, but it's a different business model.

 

[BillJ]

Probably because, in terms of directorial intent, the "revised" visual effects were what Wise mostly preferred (based upon previous, discarded storyboarding, etc.), and are considered a major, fundamental characteristic of the project. Basically, lose the updated VFX, and you lose maybe 50% of the entire point of the new cut.

I haven't watched the DE in a while, but I can only think of a couple of shots that were distinctly different from the theatrical version. The Vulcan background and the tiles Kirk and company walk across in the V'ger inner chamber.

 

[Leto_II]

^ One of the really biggies in the DE is the whole revisualization of the V'Ger ship itself, after it exits the "cloud" over Earth, where you can finally behold it in all of its glory, in quite a few new shots (this remained unfinished in the theatrical and ABC television editions, due to lack of post-production time).

Also, there are other new bits in the DE, such as the new versions of San Francisco and Starfleet Headquarters, plus the updated FX at the end of the wormhole-sequence and the originally-intended disappearance of the final V'Ger "whiplash bolt" (likewise scrapped in 1979).

There's also smaller, subtler stuff throughout the film in the DE, such as the finally-realized nacelle visible outside the officer's lounge window (right before the cloud-approach starts), and other little things that had to go by the wayside due to the tight post-production schedule back in '79. (Plus, as you mention, the new "wing-walk" sequence at the very end of the movie, and the upgraded Vulcan-scenes.)