I never took you to be a fan of Kat/Chak slash, Thomas. You've managed to surprise me ...
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I did?
In any case, yeah I like the idea of them being together. Nevertheless I'm not the type of fan who has a headcanon that goes against the series, and so my firm belief is that they are not together. At least, not during the TV-show. Still, that should not prevent me from occasionally making some wallpapers with them.
BTW, like I've mentioned elsewhere, in contrast to most fans I'm not that enthusiastic about the relaunch books. However, if there are a few things I like about them, then one of them is definitely putting Janeway and Chakotay together and making them into a firmly established couple by now.
But they are not as good as Tom and B'Elanna ... and of course, as a gay man, I would have appreciated the Tom-Chakotay couple the most.
So who's your fav couple? B'Elanna and Tom in your case as well, I guess ...
Or am I wrong?
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B'Elanna & Vorik might've been an entertaining pairing. As you know, he was such a fool for her. Between her disregard for logic and his love of it, I'm sure they would've provided many comedic moments. But I've no objections to B'Elanna's marriage to Tom, of course. Who else were they going to get with, but eachother? Had to happen, eventually ...I did?
In any case, yeah I like the idea of them being together. Nevertheless I'm not the type of fan who has a headcanon that goes against the series, and so my firm belief is that they are not together. At least, not during the TV-show. Still, that should not prevent me from occasionally making some wallpapers with them.
BTW, like I've mentioned elsewhere, in contrast to most fans I'm not that enthusiastic about the relaunch books. However, if there are a few things I like about them, then one of them is definitely putting Janeway and Chakotay together and making them into a firmly established couple by now.
But they are not as good as Tom and B'Elanna ... and of course, as a gay man, I would have appreciated the Tom-Chakotay couple the most.
So who's your fav couple? B'Elanna and Tom in your case as well, I guess ...
Or am I wrong?
The FIRST incarnation of "Kenneth's" wife in "Real Life." She loved making his holographic home his sanctuary from the cares of the world ... it made her happy to do it. Then B'Elanna opens her big mouth ... always has to save the Universe, you know? And it cost The Doctor dear. He adored his little princess and kept her spoilt. But, oh WELL! That's what 'family' means, right, B'Elanna?
And then there's Chakotay & Kathryn. It was just so obvious to turn them into a couple, but The Good Captain rejected him out of hand ... not just once, or twice ... but EVERY time! If "Kathy" doesn't want to know, forget her. That's how I see it, now. This, of course, left Chakotay on short rations, as far as sex was concerned. But his dry spell was all that perpetuated his infatuation with her.
A dry spell which was dotted here and there with occasional hotties. The most remarkable of these, except for her shitty hairstyle, was Kellin. She was the most beautiful ... and the most worthy. But ... VOY hit the Reset Button HARD on these two and despite what we saw ... Chak & Kel never even happened! She could've used an earjob, but outside of that ... Chakotay couldn't have chosen better.
Kim & Kes with their one-syllable, K-alike names and naïve dispositions would've made a good couple. And just keep Neelix as an asexual hyæna, flipping burgers in the Mess Hall ...
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Interesting. I saw zero to little chemistry between Kes and Harry - but to each their own as you say it in your lovely language (as an English teacher, I just love English
).In the first few seasons I could have imagined Tom and Kes together - if Kes had stayed, then maybe for the entire length of the show. After all, Tom did turn out to be very faithful to B'Elanna so I guess he would have been faithful to Kes, too.
But like I said ... I'm happy with what we got. Janeway and Chakotay would have been perfect for me but I guess it would have given us a very different kind of show. They have their differences as it is but if your superior is your girlfriend, you'll fall out with her practically over all her decisions. I sometimes think we only got Tom and B'Elanna because Kate Mulgrew resisted pairing Janeway up with anyone really (it seems that this time, resistance was not futile at all
).BTW, I thought that Janeway worked best with the guy from WORKFORCE - his name escapes me right now - but like with Chakotay and Kellin, that story never happened.
Finally, disappointing as it might sound, when I'm watching a science fiction show, romantic relationships are the last thing I care about. I love Voyager mainly for the family feeling that is apparent in the show in practically every minute. Had they decided to go along with focussing on the characters' romantic side, I guess this might not be my favourite show of all time at all.
You find English to be a "lovely" language? Again, you've managed to surprise me. French is very sexy. English is great for song lyrics, especially, which is probably why Music is one of America's biggest exports. Some statements that are brief in English are not so easily condensed in French, or in German, let's say.
I hear you about not looking for romantic relationships in Sci-Fi - STAR TREK, specifically, is very bad at portraying convincing couples. Surprisingly, though, outside of how they finally got together, once they did get together, Tom & B'Elanna were surprisingly stable and 'normal.'
It would not have worked to have everybody else on the ship essentially pair off, except for the stars of the show. So, VOYAGER hooked up the only officers it could hook up and, fortunately, they didn't pour on the drama with these two. They stayed, basically, as we already knew them, which was good. And yes, you're right ... Tom loved B'Elanna very much and was good to her and she was a good wifey.
I hear you about not looking for romantic relationships in Sci-Fi - STAR TREK, specifically, is very bad at portraying convincing couples. Surprisingly, though, outside of how they finally got together, once they did get together, Tom & B'Elanna were surprisingly stable and 'normal.'
It would not have worked to have everybody else on the ship essentially pair off, except for the stars of the show. So, VOYAGER hooked up the only officers it could hook up and, fortunately, they didn't pour on the drama with these two. They stayed, basically, as we already knew them, which was good. And yes, you're right ... Tom loved B'Elanna very much and was good to her and she was a good wifey.
2TF ... if I were not head over heels in love with your language, what kind of English teacher would that make me?
Of course I am enamoured of it, there's a reason I chose this profession a long time ago (even as a child, there was something I found fascinating about languages and their magic still hasn't faded). Take me for a fool if you want to but if I have a choice of, say, watching an episode of Voyager or having to sit down for 45 minutes to learn new words, I will more often than not go for the latter. English is an inexhaustible warehouse of interesting vocabulary and the more I'm learning of it, the happier it makes me.Also, like you said, most languages work in a very different way from English hence it is often difficult to translate things into other languages. As far as language types are concerned, English is most similar to Chinese. Both are what linguistics calls isolating languages, this explains their dense nature. This also means that they both present great challenges for the foreigner - unfortunately, most people only look at the surface and are easily decived by the lack of endings into believing that English is an easy language.
I am also a German teacher, I love that language as well but for very different reasons. Since I am Hungarian, our language works in a similar way to German so German is a piece of cake for a Hungarian person.
Don't let me get started on my own language, of course I find it a beautiful and expressive one. Foreigners don't like the sound of it but I can't do much about it. In contrast, we also have our poets who have elevated the language to unprecedented heights.
If you're interested, here's a foretaste of Voyager in Hungarian:
I don't know the other Trek shows too much, except DS9 to a certain extent so I can't judge how good Star Trek is at portraying romantic relationships. I don't like Worf so naturally Worf and Jadzia don't work for me (since I like Jadzia). However, I liked Sisko and Kassidy (sp.?) and Kira and Odo, too.
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I never saw any chemistry at all between Kim and Kes.Interesting. I saw zero to little chemistry between Kes and Harry - but to each their own as you say it in your lovely language (as an English teacher, I just love English
In the first few seasons I could have imagined Tom and Kes together - if Kes had stayed, then maybe for the entire length of the show. After all, Tom did turn out to be very faithful to B'Elanna so I guess he would have been faithful to Kes, too.
But like I said ... I'm happy with what we got. Janeway and Chakotay would have been perfect for me but I guess it would have given us a very different kind of show. They have their differences as it is but if your superior is your girlfriend, you'll fall out with her practically over all her decisions. I sometimes think we only got Tom and B'Elanna because Kate Mulgrew resisted pairing Janeway up with anyone really (it seems that this time, resistance was not futile at all
BTW, I thought that Janeway worked best with the guy from WORKFORCE - his name escapes me right now - but like with Chakotay and Kellin, that story never happened.
Finally, disappointing as it might sound, when I'm watching a science fiction show, romantic relationships are the last thing I care about. I love Voyager mainly for the family feeling that is apparent in the show in practically every minute. Had they decided to go along with focussing on the characters' romantic side, I guess this might not be my favourite show of all time at all.
Besides that, Kim had Libby and did seem very faithful to her.
As for relationships, my suggestions for those are:
Chakotay/Janeway
Paris/Torres
Neelix/Samantha Wildman
Flotter/a grown up Naomi Wildman
or an alternate one:
Chakotay/Torres
Paris/Kes
Neelix/Samanta Wildnan
Flotter/a grown up Naomi Wildman
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Thomas, I've been to Deutschland and found myself quite unexpectedly infatuated with its beauty ... and its people. German is, of course, a guttural language, so when it's spoken by a pretty woman, this aspect of it can even seem amusing. As I say, French is sexy ... sophisticated ... and, of course, a "Romantic Language," to start with. Every word is a symphony and it can make even the plainest French girl seem quite a charmer. Here in America, however, I'd prefer my countrymen use Queen's English. We butcher our official language so badly, it's hardly serviceable, at times. Across the Pond, even a Cockney accent sounds very cute and catches the ear in an entertaining way.
Me mum (both my parents, really) is as Irish as the day is long and she loves Gaelic, which I never paid much attention to. But from an early age, other languages seemed to offer other ways to make Life more interesting. Chinese and Russian, though? Forget it. I know a couple phraises, a few words and some numbers, but that's about it. They never interested me, that much, I'm sorry to say. Because between China and Russia, that's like two thirds of the planet's population, right there. Here in America, though, knowing Spanish is becoming more useful than even these.
When I was a small child being made to attend Roman Catholic Mass in a castle-like cathedral, I could not help but notice the beautiful stained glass and other works of Art, everywhere. Instantly, the connection was made for me that Art was a way of communicating with God and He with us. The early morning beams of light illuminating the dust in the air and the choir singing ... I was overwhelmed. It was then that I knew what I was and what I had to do. So, I tell you true, Thomas: I share your fascination with and love for Human Communication. For being such so practical and useful, it's really quite a beautiful thing, as well. Just keep doing what you're doing, Sir ...
Me mum (both my parents, really) is as Irish as the day is long and she loves Gaelic, which I never paid much attention to. But from an early age, other languages seemed to offer other ways to make Life more interesting. Chinese and Russian, though? Forget it. I know a couple phraises, a few words and some numbers, but that's about it. They never interested me, that much, I'm sorry to say. Because between China and Russia, that's like two thirds of the planet's population, right there. Here in America, though, knowing Spanish is becoming more useful than even these.
When I was a small child being made to attend Roman Catholic Mass in a castle-like cathedral, I could not help but notice the beautiful stained glass and other works of Art, everywhere. Instantly, the connection was made for me that Art was a way of communicating with God and He with us. The early morning beams of light illuminating the dust in the air and the choir singing ... I was overwhelmed. It was then that I knew what I was and what I had to do. So, I tell you true, Thomas: I share your fascination with and love for Human Communication. For being such so practical and useful, it's really quite a beautiful thing, as well. Just keep doing what you're doing, Sir ...
I guess that this is the way The Doctor sounds to Ensign Sandor from Budapest, thanks to the Universal Translator!2TF ... if I were not head over heels in love with your language, what kind of English teacher would that make me?
Also, like you said, most languages work in a very different way from English hence it is often difficult to translate things into other languages. As far as language types are concerned, English is most similar to Chinese. Both are what linguistics calls isolating languages, this explains their dense nature. This also means that they both present great challenges for the foreigner - unfortunately, most people only look at the surface and are easily decived by the lack of endings into believing that English is an easy language.
I am also a German teacher, I love that language as well but for very different reasons. Since I am Hungarian, our language works in a similar way to German so German is a piece of cake for a Hungarian person.
Don't let me get started on my own language, of course I find it a beautiful and expressive one. Foreigners don't like the sound of it but I can't do much about it. In contrast, we also have our poets who have elevated the language to unprecedented heights.
If you're interested, here's a foretaste of Voyager in Hungarian:
I don't know the other Trek shows too much, except DS9 to a certain extent so I can't judge how good Star Trek is at portraying romantic relationships. I don't like Worf so naturally Worf and Jadzia don't work for me (since I like Jadzia). However, I liked Sisko and Kassidy (sp.?) and Kira and Odo, too.
Thanks, Lynx.Beautiful!
I was kind of hoping you would like this picture. It contains my favourite quotation by Kes from the entire series.
And who is Ensign Sandor? Sándor is a frequent Hungarian first name, meaning Alexander. Is there a character with this name in the world of Star Trek?
Do you mean you found your calling in that church? What was it if it's not a secret?
Yes, communication is a fascinating thing. No matter what someone does or who that someone is that does whatever he or she does, language is the most important means of expressing human thoughts. Foreign languages might present a challenge but at the same time this is their beauty. The road to learning them is often much more interesting than the actual result - you know, it's not the destination that matters (To the journey!
) - although when you speak a foreign language at a high level, this can also be very enjoyable.I still enjoy learning English, albeit I've always regretted that no one has ever taught me slang and colloquial English. Unfortunately language books don't teach you much of that and I can't just get hold of an English-speaking person to help me out. That's why I sometimes lose track of what's going on on these fora.
But yes, altogether a very interesting walk of life languages are (this sounded a bit like Yoda-speak, I know ...
). It's a pity that it seems by the 24th century, they will lose their significance. The universal translator will sort any communication problems out so I'm afraid language teachers won't be needed any more. And even if the universal translators weren't effective enough, there's always Arturis's people from HOPE AND FEAR to help the galaxy out. So I'm afraid, I won't be needed by then.Oh well, I'll find something else. I'll apply for a place at Starfleet Academy and will take over Harry Kim's place on Voyager ...
Thanks, Lynx.
I was kind of hoping you would like this picture. It contains my favourite quotation by Kes from the entire series.
And who is Ensign Sandor? Sándor is a frequent Hungarian first name, meaning Alexander. Is there a character with this name in the world of Star Trek?
Do you mean you found your calling in that church? What was it if it's not a secret?
Yes, communication is a fascinating thing. No matter what someone does or who that someone is that does whatever he or she does, language is the most important means of expressing human thoughts. Foreign languages might present a challenge but at the same time this is their beauty. The road to learning them is often much more interesting than the actual result - you know, it's not the destination that matters (To the journey!
I still enjoy learning English, albeit I've always regretted that no one has ever taught me slang and colloquial English. Unfortunately language books don't teach you much of that and I can't just get hold of an English-speaking person to help me out. That's why I sometimes lose track of what's going on on these fora.
But yes, altogether a very interesting walk of life languages are (this sounded a bit like Yoda-speak, I know ...
Oh well, I'll find something else. I'll apply for a place at Starfleet Academy and will take over Harry Kim's place on Voyager ...
No, there is no Ensign Sándor in Star Trek, at least none I know about. I just picked a common Hungarian name for this theory about how The Doctor would sound to a Hungarian thanks to the Universal Translator.
As for Yoda speech: "Also afraid that the universal translator will make language learning unnecessary, I am. To concur the universe the dark force might use this.
As for taking Harry's place on Voyager, you good luck I wish! Hmmmmmm."
http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/index.php
I am a Roman Catholic mostly because it's how I was raised. The community I was raised in and all that. Me mum's Catholic, my father's Episcopalian. But as a small child, I found myself in a Catholic church that resembled a medieval castle and it contained an elaborate alter, beautiful stained glass and statues. Even the confessionals were constructed out of fine mahogany. But everywhere was this beautiful, seemingly ancient artwork. It moved me ... emotionally ... and I had an ephiphany:
I immediately understood the impact that Art could have, the authority of it ... the symbolism involved. David Vs. Goliath, for example, has been used by political and other groups since time forgotten. Great works of Art are often associated with politics ... for example, the Mona Lisa and the French Government. The Statue of Liberty and the USA, and so on. I learned that Art and power were close cousins ... and I've never forgotten it. I realised that I had to be an Artist. It changed me, forever.
Hello guys, thanks for your replies.
@Lynx I'm impressed how much you know about us! I couldn't give you any Scandinavian name, no matter if Swedish, Danish or otherwise (I don't even know which country you are from because you keep referring to "Scandinavia" in your posts). So no, I am a complete dummy when it comes to Scandinavian names except for Mans Zelmerlöw and I've also known that one only since last year ...
@2takesfrakes Your story is quite a fascinating one - even if I don't believe in God, at least not in the Christian God. See I was brought up in a "superreligious" family, the end result of which was that all that going to church and stuff made me hate the whole thing and ultimately made me face it that I was "faking" it only. In other words every time I went to a church I was basically going through the motions only and then at the age of 30 I decided to face reality and give it up altogether.
Also, as for choosing my profession, I have nothing dramatic to report. Teaching has been running for generations in our family (on both sides) so when I was a small child, I saw my parents teach and fell immediately in love with their profession. Needless to say, I decided to become a teacher. No idea if my sister was led to do so by the same motive or not but she is - surprise, surprrise - also a teacher. And when you ask my nieces (8 and 9) what they would like to be when they grow up, they immediately say "I want to be a teacher" ... So it must be in our genes, I guess ...
@Lynx I'm impressed how much you know about us! I couldn't give you any Scandinavian name, no matter if Swedish, Danish or otherwise (I don't even know which country you are from because you keep referring to "Scandinavia" in your posts). So no, I am a complete dummy when it comes to Scandinavian names except for Mans Zelmerlöw and I've also known that one only since last year ...
@2takesfrakes Your story is quite a fascinating one - even if I don't believe in God, at least not in the Christian God. See I was brought up in a "superreligious" family, the end result of which was that all that going to church and stuff made me hate the whole thing and ultimately made me face it that I was "faking" it only. In other words every time I went to a church I was basically going through the motions only and then at the age of 30 I decided to face reality and give it up altogether.
Also, as for choosing my profession, I have nothing dramatic to report. Teaching has been running for generations in our family (on both sides) so when I was a small child, I saw my parents teach and fell immediately in love with their profession. Needless to say, I decided to become a teacher. No idea if my sister was led to do so by the same motive or not but she is - surprise, surprrise - also a teacher. And when you ask my nieces (8 and 9) what they would like to be when they grow up, they immediately say "I want to be a teacher" ... So it must be in our genes, I guess ...
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This is my last wallpaper for CARETAKER containing my favourite speech by Janeway. Later on, I might make a few more, I love this episode so much.
And just like with my SCORPION wallpapers, if you have downloaded them in the order I've shared them, they will tell you the story of how Voyager ended up in the Delta Quadrant and got stuck there.
And just like with my SCORPION wallpapers, if you have downloaded them in the order I've shared them, they will tell you the story of how Voyager ended up in the Delta Quadrant and got stuck there.
DAY OF HONOR - Seven
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