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Star Trek V re-edits?

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There were a few attempts to re-edit Trek 5 -- some of which were indeed completed and other that may not have been, but in 2016 there was an announcement that there had been one version completed and I've seen a review of it but it included no links or images of the new FX.

Was there some reason that persons would go to the great effort to create an alternate cut with new FX and then never make it available? I understand there may be legal obstacles that might prevent them from releasing the entire movie but certainly they could have released portions. On youtube there are several examples of redone FX but none seems to be from the most recent 2016 version.

Anybody have any facts on these recuts? Thanks!
 
They probably still think Paramount will officially release their version and don't want to ruin their (non) chances.
 
A few years ago I recut the film for shits and giggles. Took out almost 30 minutes a edited it as a 2-parter tv pilot. Like if after TVH they decided to go on another 5 year mission with the original crew for a new show in the late 80s. No new VFX on my cut however. ;-)
 
There were a few attempts to re-edit Trek 5 -- some of which were indeed completed and other that may not have been, but in 2016 there was an announcement that there had been one version completed and I've seen a review of it but it included no links or images of the new FX.

Was there some reason that persons would go to the great effort to create an alternate cut with new FX and then never make it available? I understand there may be legal obstacles that might prevent them from releasing the entire movie but certainly they could have released portions. On youtube there are several examples of redone FX but none seems to be from the most recent 2016 version.

Anybody have any facts on these recuts? Thanks!

I have heard of some fan redos, which probably isn't that hard to do these days for someone with the right background. I don't think Paramount would care all that much as long as that person doesn't try to go out and sell it. If someone just did it for the fun of it and posted the "proposed" scenes on YouTube for instance, they probably wouldn't care (as long as you didn't post the whole movie).

I know William Shatner had asked for some money to redo the special effects for TFF (much like they did for TMP) but he was turned down. A shame in a way. I mean, it wouldn't help the flaws in the story, but at least it would look like a proper Star Trek film. I didn't hate TFF, but yes, I agree it's the weakest of the Star Trek films. The poor special effects just make it that much worse. If they at least fixed that it would "look" like a professionally made film. And I actually think there might be a market for it. There are still a lot of Trekkies that like the film, warts and all, probably because it has some of the best Kirk-Spock-McCoy moments in the films, Luckinbill does well in his role (even if the role itself had it's issues) and of course, Goldsmith's music score is among the best. But the special effects really serve to ruin what good there is in the film.
 
Oh I did...

To each their own I guess. I rate it as number 13, but I always tell people that doesn't mean I hated it. Like I noted I liked the Kirk-Spock-McCoy moments, the casting of Luckinbill, Goldsmith's score, and I actually really liked the forward observation room set (I wish it were retained in TUC). The overall plot was weak, going to the center of the galaxy in a matter of days was a gigantic plot hole (which was explained in the novelization), and the humor was just over the top.

I read the novelization for the movie a few days before the movie came out (the book was released about a week prior) and the book was really good. I'd encourage people to read it if you haven't. After I read the novel I thought to myself the movie should be really good. It ended up being a disappointment in that regard.
 
The novel is darn good and it shows how they could have filled so many holes with a little effort.
 
The novel is darn good and it shows how they could have filled so many holes with a little effort.

The novel shows just how much the writer's strike and limited production time crippled the process.

The tragedy of Star Trek V is that it was just a few cards short of being a GREAT Star Trek film. But, alas, those cards it was missing were really, really critical ones to that end.
 
The script was flawed in too fundamental a sense to work, so more polishing wouldn't have fixed it. It's not even clear what the story is about. What hard decisions does anyone make? What is the point? What's the theme?

The script is a collection of ideas none of which are developed or play through from start to finish. It's amateur hour screenwriting, and it required what's known as a page one rewrite.
 
The script was flawed in too fundamental a sense to work, so more polishing wouldn't have fixed it. It's not even clear what the story is about. What hard decisions does anyone make? What is the point? What's the theme?

The script is a collection of ideas none of which are developed or play through from start to finish. It's amateur hour screenwriting, and it required what's known as a page one rewrite.

I don't necessarily think that the fundamental premise of the Enterprise being hijacked by a powerful Vulcan fundamentalist / religious zealot to pursue his delusional goal of achieving an audience with the "supreme being" is an unworkable one. In fact, I think it has massive potential for a very good Star Trek story and has the makings of all the allegory, all the big questions, and all the "inner conflict" stuff that made TOS great (especially if you maintain the Vulcan character's ability to convert / brainwash people telepathically).

The problems (as are tremendously well documented at this point) were studio interference, bad cohesiveness within the writing team (Shatner, Lowrey, Bennett), terrible SFX, and a crappy script that needed 3-4 more revisions and polishes EASILY.

But, there were some really great elements in the fundamental story that, if fleshed-out and expanded upon, would / would have made a great Trek movie or television arc:

1. The Planet of Galactic Peace concept- the failed development of a world that was supposed to be governed by 3 major superpowers, its failure, and why it was the prefect place for Sybok to prey on the weak
2. Sybok's backstory...in far greater detail (who is he, why did he reject the Vulcan disciplines, how did he acquire the powers he possesses, what motivates him / has him in contact / believing in this "God" idea, how does his supposed brilliance come into play?)
3. The concept of The Great Barrier and what it represents
4. The "turning" of the crew via this false technique of relieving pain
5. Faith, fundamentalism, and science
6. Spock's relationship with Sybok
7. The Klingon element (assuming you keep it at all...expand upon the motives here...not just "Kirk is a great warrior who would be cool to defeat" crap...but dive into what Kirk represents to the Klingons, particularly after the Genesis Incident)
8. Flesh-out the idea of Sha Ka Ree. It's not a literal heaven where God lives, but perhaps it is believed by Sybok to be a destination, achieved only through great trial, where a worthy traveler is granted an audience with "God"
9. Provide a little more meat on the bones to what the backstory and motivation of the entity they discover is. How did it come to be in that situation? How did it reach Sybok's mind (similar to V'Ger finding Spock??) What are it's goals / motives?

If you could hack a great deal of the non-value-added stuff from the film and expand upon these other items with clarity and consistency, it could very easily work. Save time and energy by cutting the Uhura fan-dance, the turboshaft escape, a great deal of the Klingon stuff, some of the useless exposition dialogue on Nimbus III, "haha" scenes of Uhura/Scotty flirting or Chekov/Sulu lost, etc etc. and get some meat on these bones...

If you could take all that good material (IMHO it's good, anyway) and "Nick Meyer" it-- meaning take all the elements that are "good" and just re-process them into a completely different script a la Star Trek II...I honestly think this could have been a great Star Trek movie, filled with adventure, discovery, mystery, tension, and deep conflict. Perhaps one of the best.


But, as they say, if "ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas"...
 
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See the trouble is no one can articulate what the film is about. For instance...

TWOK: Kirk has to overcome his own failings, face the mortality of his ship and crew when an enemy from his past resurfaces, and learn that there are times when you can't cheat death.

That tells us what the film is about.. The particulars are endlessly fungible, but they are largely in service of that premise and those themes. That's what Meyer brought to it when he synthesized all those bits of different scripts. But there's no there there with ST5. There never was. I've read the same accounts of the writing and no one ever nailed down what the story was about. It's a bunch of ideas thrown together without an underlying theme at the core.
 
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I don't necessarily think that the fundamental premise of the Enterprise being hijacked by a powerful Vulcan fundamentalist / religious zealot to pursue his delusional goal of achieving an audience with the "supreme being" is an unworkable one. In fact, I think it has massive potential for a very good Star Trek story and has the makings of all the allegory, all the big questions, and all the "inner conflict" stuff that made TOS great (especially if you maintain the Vulcan character's ability to convert / brainwash people telepathically).

The problems (as are tremendously well documented at this point) were studio interference, bad cohesiveness within the writing team (Shatner, Lowrey, Bennett), terrible SFX, and a crappy script that needed 3-4 more revisions and polishes EASILY.

But, there were some really great elements in the fundamental story that, if fleshed-out and expanded upon, would / would have made a great Trek movie or television arc:

1. The Planet of Galactic Peace concept- the failed development of a world that was supposed to be governed by 3 major superpowers, its failure, and why it was the prefect place for Sybok to prey on the weak
2. Sybok's backstory...in far greater detail (who is he, why did he reject the Vulcan disciplines, how did he acquire the powers he possesses, what motivates him / has him in contact / believing in this "God" idea, how does his supposed brilliance come into play?)
3. The concept of The Great Barrier and what it represents
4. The "turning" of the crew via this false technique of relieving pain
5. Faith, fundamentalism, and science
6. Spock's relationship with Sybok
7. The Klingon element (assuming you keep it at all...expand upon the motives here...not just "Kirk is a great warrior who would be cool to defeat" crap...but dive into what Kirk represents to the Klingons, particularly after the Genesis Incident)
8. Flesh-out the idea of Sha Ka Ree. It's not a literal heaven where God lives, but perhaps it is believed by Sybok to be a destination, achieved only through great trial, where a worthy traveler is granted an audience with "God"
9. Provide a little more meat on the bones to what the backstory and motivation of the entity they discover is. How did it come to be in that situation? How did it reach Sybok's mind (similar to V'Ger finding Spock??) What are it's goals / motives?

If you could hack a great deal of the non-value-added stuff from the film and expand upon these other items with clarity and consistency, it could very easily work. Save time and energy by cutting the Uhura fan-dance, the turboshaft escape, a great deal of the Klingon stuff, some of the useless exposition dialogue on Nimbus III, "haha" scenes of Uhura/Scotty flirting or Chekov/Sulu lost, etc etc. and get some meat on these bones...

If you could take all that good material (IMHO it's good, anyway) and "Nick Meyer" it-- meaning take all the elements that are "good" and just re-process them into a completely different script a la Star Trek II...I honestly think this could have been a great Star Trek movie, filled with adventure, discovery, mystery, tension, and deep conflict. Perhaps one of the best.


But, as they say, if "ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas"...

Yeah, TFF had some promise and it seemed everything that could go wrong and be done wrong was done wrong. The writer's strike could not have helped. The corny humor was not supposed to be there initially, Paramount thought they could bank on that again after TVH (what seemed natural and good nature humor in TVH seemed forced and contrived in TFF, and just plain ridiculous). Sybok being Spock's half-brother caused a lot of issues. I wasn't thrilled with it, but if that were the only issue I'd get over it. But Sybok himself was fine otherwise. The trying to find God storyline was ok, and the way things turned out was fine, but could have been executed better. The whole center of the galaxy thing was an issue because as we know from Voyager (and common sense) it would take decades to get there. The book explains how it was done but that is left unexplained in the movie. Those are some of thing things that make me rank it 13/13 for the movies. But I don't hate it. I can watch it. I only wish Paramount would just pony up the money to fix the special effects. That's one thing that could be fixed and I think that would improve the film---and I think they would make money from the deal. I've heard a lot of comments over the years from Trekkies that they don't "hate" TFF (of course, some do...but I don't get the feeling that's an overall consensus). It seems fans want to like the film, to give it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe fixing the poor effects could help that process just a bit. I know I would buy a special edition Blu-Ray with updated special effects (a la the remastered original series, or TMP) and I do believe so would a lot of fans.
 
The plot was horrible, the finding God idea ridiculous. The execution was poor, the effects woefully lacking and Luckinbill was dreadful, if badly cast.

Loved the camping.
 
V is a very TOS-esque movie. It's plotted out that way. It's loosely patched together plotwise but I like the adventure and there's some truly exquisite character moments. I enjoy it for Sybok testing the triumvirate in the observation lounge with the trio standing tall, refusing Sybok's appeals. That test of friendship is their crowning moment in the sunset of their careers.

Kirk's landing party getting the run around by a bunch of chaps with the rocks and Spock doin' the nerve pinch on a horse....nope. And alot of the malfunctioning slapstick moments should've gotten the heave-ho. I did like 'Captain' Chekov trying to browbeat Sybok though. It's fundamentally an odd but interesting film despite the poor execution in several places.
 
STV is Sybok's story. Everyone else is just along for the ride.

Actually, no. It's Kirk's story. Every single aspect of this movie revolves around Kirk being the hero.

Someone once hypothesized that the events of STV were just a dream Kirk was having while asleep after the camping scene. That certainly would explain why nothing really made sense.
 
Sybok is the only one who makes things happen.

But he's not the hero of the story. He's the villain. He makes things happen for everyone except Kirk, who's too tough and strong to be susceptible to Sybok's "feel your pain" bullshit!

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic here, but my point stands.)
 
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