Yes, Uhura's mooning over Scotty works. She's still heavily under Sybok's influence, and Scotty knows it. Remember, he doesn't reciprocate. His line is something like "I couldn't do that in my condition. Or yours." as he puts his hand on her cheek.
STAR TREK V DIRECTOR´S CUT
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I too would like to see TFF with upgraded special effects.
These days they can make it look much better at a minimal cost. And I do think there'd be a market for it. I really do. Reading comments and talking to some people I gather these days it seems a number of fans have a soft spot for this film, warts and all. I do too. Right now I'd rank it 13/13. With better effects I'd probably flip it with Insurrection which I have at number 12/13--the only reason being is I found that film flawed (though good in some ways too), but Insurrection was competently made. The special effects in TFF really drag it down for me. Compared to the other Trek films they are bad. Sometimes it feels like the original effects from the original series were better. I just watched TFF a few weeks back and the bad special effects still bug me. You have the first 4 films, then the ones that follow with good to excellent effects. TFF really sticks out like a sore thumb.
I would love an upgraded TFF. Along with a Blu-Ray copy of the directors edition of TMP, I live in hope that one day Paramount may give us an improved-TFF on Blu-Ray. I think there's money that can be made for them there for a minimal expense. I know I would jump at the chance, and I think a lot of fans would too.
These days they can make it look much better at a minimal cost. And I do think there'd be a market for it. I really do. Reading comments and talking to some people I gather these days it seems a number of fans have a soft spot for this film, warts and all. I do too. Right now I'd rank it 13/13. With better effects I'd probably flip it with Insurrection which I have at number 12/13--the only reason being is I found that film flawed (though good in some ways too), but Insurrection was competently made. The special effects in TFF really drag it down for me. Compared to the other Trek films they are bad. Sometimes it feels like the original effects from the original series were better. I just watched TFF a few weeks back and the bad special effects still bug me. You have the first 4 films, then the ones that follow with good to excellent effects. TFF really sticks out like a sore thumb.
I would love an upgraded TFF. Along with a Blu-Ray copy of the directors edition of TMP, I live in hope that one day Paramount may give us an improved-TFF on Blu-Ray. I think there's money that can be made for them there for a minimal expense. I know I would jump at the chance, and I think a lot of fans would too.
The biggest issue with TFF's visual effects are the rushed, incompetent model shots that are supposed to be some form of "motion control"
Almost every dynamic shot of the Enterprise is awful. And there are barely any of them to begin with. We don't see any shots of the ship leaving Earth. No establishing shots in space. No shots of her in orbit of Nimbus. The very few dynamic shots we do get are embarrassing to say the least (warp-out to avoid the torpedo, warp fly-by, barrier fly-by, disappearing into the barrier). The shot of the BoP and Enterprise above Sha Ka Ree after the Enterprise has been attacked is awful. All the shots of the Enterprise in relation to the shuttle are also awful.
There's are also some very good shots, but they are few and far between. The Enterprise in front of the moon, in front of the column of "God" light, and in orbit of Sha Ka Ree at the very end (with the BoP) are all gorgeous shots. The shuttlecraft crash landing is actually pretty good, except that's one shot looking at the front of the craft after it has entered the bay.
Most of the other visual effects are actually quite serviceable. I like the Great Barrier effects, although admittedly they could be tuned up...but the practical techniques they used are far superior to any of the fan tinkering I've seen thus far. The phaser beams are cool. Most of the planets and matte paintings are actually very good. The column that "God" appears in is cool. The Enterprise firing the torpedo is pathetic, but the torpedo blowing up the cathedral is ok I guess.
Ultimately, a lot of the practical stuff they did works just fine. It's the model work that is horrific. The lighting, motion control, depth, scale, realism, dynamicism.....everything looks like shit. Not only does TNG look 10x better and more dynamic in Seasons 1 and 2 than this major motion picture...but even the model work in TOS looks far superior most of the time.
I'd love to see a re-do, even if it just means cleaning up all the model work and adding more establishing shots of the Enterprise.
Almost every dynamic shot of the Enterprise is awful. And there are barely any of them to begin with. We don't see any shots of the ship leaving Earth. No establishing shots in space. No shots of her in orbit of Nimbus. The very few dynamic shots we do get are embarrassing to say the least (warp-out to avoid the torpedo, warp fly-by, barrier fly-by, disappearing into the barrier). The shot of the BoP and Enterprise above Sha Ka Ree after the Enterprise has been attacked is awful. All the shots of the Enterprise in relation to the shuttle are also awful.
There's are also some very good shots, but they are few and far between. The Enterprise in front of the moon, in front of the column of "God" light, and in orbit of Sha Ka Ree at the very end (with the BoP) are all gorgeous shots. The shuttlecraft crash landing is actually pretty good, except that's one shot looking at the front of the craft after it has entered the bay.
Most of the other visual effects are actually quite serviceable. I like the Great Barrier effects, although admittedly they could be tuned up...but the practical techniques they used are far superior to any of the fan tinkering I've seen thus far. The phaser beams are cool. Most of the planets and matte paintings are actually very good. The column that "God" appears in is cool. The Enterprise firing the torpedo is pathetic, but the torpedo blowing up the cathedral is ok I guess.
Ultimately, a lot of the practical stuff they did works just fine. It's the model work that is horrific. The lighting, motion control, depth, scale, realism, dynamicism.....everything looks like shit. Not only does TNG look 10x better and more dynamic in Seasons 1 and 2 than this major motion picture...but even the model work in TOS looks far superior most of the time.
I'd love to see a re-do, even if it just means cleaning up all the model work and adding more establishing shots of the Enterprise.
Well, the reason this one looks like a cutout on a stick is because it was. Bran Ferren is bad, and they should feel bad.
Is that true?? There were a couple shots that looked like "a cutout on a stick"
One is immediately reminded of the cardboard Eagle exploding on a launch pad to save $$$. But that was on TV in the ‘70s, not a big budget film.
Enterprise over the Moon, with BOP over Sha Ka Ree, the one with the light beam and the shuttle landing on Nimbus III should serve as an example of how the other shots should have looked.
There is no need to change that scenes, maybe just improving quality with a 4K remaster of the original negative but for any official edited cut that scenes would be the best sources of how they should make the improvements over the other VFX scenes.
When i created this thread some people started to be pesimistic about this happening but seeing how there are more than a houndred replies It shows how this could be worthy for Paramount if they release It as a Special Director's Cut. Now with coronavirus quarantines is the best time for making this projects. I think this would be possible if we make some noise about it.
There is no need to change that scenes, maybe just improving quality with a 4K remaster of the original negative but for any official edited cut that scenes would be the best sources of how they should make the improvements over the other VFX scenes.
When i created this thread some people started to be pesimistic about this happening but seeing how there are more than a houndred replies It shows how this could be worthy for Paramount if they release It as a Special Director's Cut. Now with coronavirus quarantines is the best time for making this projects. I think this would be possible if we make some noise about it.
Yeah, a few shots were just still images that they then animated on a computer... but then ILM did a few shots like that for The Undiscovered Country, and for the most part they were perfectly serviceable.
Like the one when Enterprise leaves spacedook.
The only glaring sub-par fx shot I can think of in TUC that would seem to fit that would be the warp fly-by of the Enterprise just after the "dining on ashes" scene between Kirk and Spock. That would seem to fit what you're talking about. If they had others, they looked pretty good!
Why not? Film has a higher resolution than video, a remaster of the movie would make any sort of CGI FX, the images doesn't have to match the limitations or visual styles of the past. Treat the movie as a new movie and go from there, unless there's fans who actually like those horrible SFX from V???
Specific shots, please. For V I doubt these were animated on a computer: probably on an animation stand. The warp trails in VI were flat animation, but ILM did that for every Enterprise warp trail from the end of TWOK on.
That's not a still, that's a model pass. The perspective changes on the ship.
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They shouldn´t make that mistake and allow ST V to convert into another CGI Director´s Cut. CGI models definitly can´t match the real models, they lack of consistence over the screen and is very easy to see how they´re fake due to the empty nature of that images. Only in some scenes they should use it, if there is no way to redone them in other way, but if this DC does massive use of CGI Enterprise and Rocks and everything it will be crap. 89 was not 2020, and movies pretended to look realistic, not like a videogame.
And yet a huge part of the substance and tone of STV was comedy, and all of a pretty consistent style. I don't know what comedy parts you consider bad vs. OK but a lot of people dislike at least most of it, and cutting at least most of it probably would significantly reduce the runtime and make it feel weird in its own way that the supporting characters have *so* little screentime at all.
Edit: If you dislike the Scotty hitting his head and Sulu and Chekov getting lost scenes, think that's embarrassing to the characters, they could be cut but they're not that different from Spock referring to marshmelon and "Hold your horse" and Scotty just saying about the ship not working "You gave me too much time."
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Is there any petition for this ST V DC? I mean, did somebody start some kind of campaign for this to happen?
From what I understand (someone can correct me if I'm wrong), Shatner wanted to do a director's cut but Paramount had zero interest.
Based on what I've see in 2020 Star Trek alone gives me the confidence 2020 CGI FX would do the job in replacing SFX I saw in V, which were pretty bad IMO. I would like see the CGI team give it a try for the Enterprise and the Klingon ship, as for the Rock creature? It all depends on what was shot on print, it seemed there was something shot but I have no idea if telecine was done on it.
Yeah. All depends on how you focus this edition, if you want to make something with a modern looke, as "how ST V would have looked with modern VFX" or if you want to make some kinf of retro restoration. I think they would choose the 1st option as is easier and could be more appealing for general public. The bad point about that is it could not fit very well between the other classic ST movies if it has a CGI Enterprise. As i said, the look of modern CGI does not pretend to be realistic. Check this pictures:
Discovery shoot looks like a Star Trek online graphic. ST III shoot looks real because everything is real. And the touch feeling is evident when you see that scene. The models have weight and dimensions sense that makes them look much more realistic. I am not saying CGI is crap or anything, just that the models worked perfectly in the classic films and no new CGI ships have looked better than those models. That´s part of reason about why scenes like the one with the Enterprise in TMP or the Reliant vs Enterprise battle are so amazing. So... i would definitely do a ST V recovering the Enterpise A model and film with it, adding CGI when neccesary, specially for exterior shoots like the ones with the barrier and Sha Ka Ree. (Modern use of models is impressive as it was proved in the new Star Wars films that made use of real models).
I understand the creative liberties done on DISCO, and I don't like their liberties, but the FX team was simply doing their jobs and they were honoring what the showrunners wanted. I thought the team who did TMP understood what the Enterprise was about and how it functioned while TWOK and TSFS presented an Enterprise that was clunky and slow moving. I'm guessing to show the ship's age and the odds were against her BS??? In movie-verse the Enterprise was 20 years old* and from my take I doubt a ship with the upgrades she had would move that slow; this slow moving idea was based on the minds of the producer and the director. ILM can and would've had that Enterprise moving like the Millennium Falcon if the powers who were wanted it to. So I don't believe TSFS was a proper representation of the Enterprise, but I have to concede the Bird of Prey had to be correct since it was the first appearance of that Romulan looking Klingon ship.
I believe CGI teams has figured out the dimensions and the appropriate weight for their designs and I believe if they were tasked to present TMP style Enterprise for V I think they could do an honorable job. If models were re-instituted ala TNG 2.0 the FX team could work with a lighter, smaller model and perform the motion capture properties done in the past? There's a scene where the Enterprise is awaiting the Galileo to arrive as the Bird of Prey fires a torpedo; I think there's enough for a new team to explore. Like extending the distances of those ships show how far they are from each other, then place the live action scenes between the new CGI FX. When the Enterprise goes to warp speed it should look amazing and not what was presented by that FX team who did V.
*I know full well the Enterprise with it's illustrious history was at least 40 "something" Earth years old and Harve Bennett didn't care to do his homework!
I believe CGI teams has figured out the dimensions and the appropriate weight for their designs and I believe if they were tasked to present TMP style Enterprise for V I think they could do an honorable job. If models were re-instituted ala TNG 2.0 the FX team could work with a lighter, smaller model and perform the motion capture properties done in the past? There's a scene where the Enterprise is awaiting the Galileo to arrive as the Bird of Prey fires a torpedo; I think there's enough for a new team to explore. Like extending the distances of those ships show how far they are from each other, then place the live action scenes between the new CGI FX. When the Enterprise goes to warp speed it should look amazing and not what was presented by that FX team who did V.
*I know full well the Enterprise with it's illustrious history was at least 40 "something" Earth years old and Harve Bennett didn't care to do his homework!
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