Star Trek Universe: Whats happening there 'now'?
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indeed.
another event post DW was the small matter of lunatic Thallonian Gerrid Thul attempting to wipe out the UFP with a genengineered virus on the anniversary of the signing of the resolution of non-interference. he was thwarted by the dual forces of captains picard and mackenzie calhoun and the USS Excalibur.
seen in TNG Double Helix: Double or Nothing by Peter David
another event post DW was the small matter of lunatic Thallonian Gerrid Thul attempting to wipe out the UFP with a genengineered virus on the anniversary of the signing of the resolution of non-interference. he was thwarted by the dual forces of captains picard and mackenzie calhoun and the USS Excalibur.
seen in TNG Double Helix: Double or Nothing by Peter David
Austin 3:16 said:
Sci said:
Sorry, government doesn't work that way. The military can't just arbitrarilly declare jurisdiction over an area where another agency has clear jurisdiction in a liberal democracy (irrelevent of what George W. Bush would have you think).Starfleet is accountable to the civilians, not the other way around.
Wait, since when was Iraq under Saddam a "liberal democracy"?
I don't believe I ever stated it was. I was referring to things like the president rather arbitrarilly deciding to imprision American citizen Jose Padilla, arrested on US soil, in a military brig when things like precent-setting Supreme Court decisions from the 1800s made it pretty clear that the military may not do that sort of thing when the civil authority is still functioning in the US in the area where a criminal is arrested.
Sci said:
Austin 3:16 said:
Sci said:
Sorry, government doesn't work that way. The military can't just arbitrarilly declare jurisdiction over an area where another agency has clear jurisdiction in a liberal democracy (irrelevent of what George W. Bush would have you think).
Wait, since when was Iraq under Saddam a "liberal democracy"?
I don't believe I ever stated it was. I was referring to things like the president rather arbitrarilly deciding to imprision American citizen Jose Padilla, arrested on US soil, in a military brig when things like precent-setting Supreme Court decisions from the 1800s made it pretty clear that the military may not do that sort of thing when the civil authority is still functioning in the US in the area where a criminal is arrested.
OH ok I got ya. Though if you wanna talk about people "arbitrarilly declaring jurisdiction over an area where another agency has clear jurisdiction" I find it funny you mention someone like Bush and not even mention people like Saddam Hussein who have invaded far more places and in far worse ways (like intentionally targeting civilians). But yeah, I realize Bush is evil and everything and he caused Global Warming.
I would certainly never claim that Bush is worse than Hussein, but the comparison there doesn't work. Remember, the original intent was to compare the idea of Starfleet imposing upon an area over which a civilian department had jurisdiction to the US military imposing upon an area over which a civilian dept. has jurisdiction; the comparison wouldn't work with Hussein's Iraq, since Iraq under Hussein wasn't a liberal democracy whose principles were being undermined in such a situation as the Federation was, due to Iraq having been a dictatorship.
In other words, the intent is to compare two democracies doing something they ought not to do, not to compare a democracy doing something it ought not to do to a dictatorship doing something it ought not to do.
But yeah, I realize Bush is evil and everything and he caused Global Warming.
I don't believe I ever claimed that Bush caused gloabal warming; I would certainly never accuse him of being the author of all the world's miseries.
Sci said:
I would certainly never claim that Bush is worse than Hussein, but the comparison there doesn't work. Remember, the original intent was to compare the idea of Starfleet imposing upon an area over which a civilian department had jurisdiction to the US military imposing upon an area over which a civilian dept. has jurisdiction; the comparison wouldn't work with Hussein's Iraq, since Iraq under Hussein wasn't a liberal democracy whose principles were being undermined in such a situation as the Federation was, due to Iraq having been a dictatorship.
In other words, the intent is to compare two democracies doing something they ought not to do, not to compare a democracy doing something it ought not to do to a dictatorship doing something it ought not to do.
But yeah, I realize Bush is evil and everything and he caused Global Warming.
I don't believe I ever claimed that Bush caused gloabal warming; I would certainly never accuse him of being the author of all the world's miseries.
Ah I see. I completely see what you're saying now. My mistake. I misjudged you.
As a government employee, I am happy to read that you actually believe this. It makes my role as a part of Big Brother much easier.Sci said:
Sorry, government doesn't work that way. The military can't just arbitrarilly declare jurisdiction over an area where another agency has clear jurisdiction in a liberal democracy (irrelevent of what George W. Bush would have you think).
I'm from the government; I'm here to help...
The Romulans are "now" slaughtering the Feds right and left. Too bad Maurice Hurley didn't get to slaughter them as he wanted to do with that l'il Borg scout ship.
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