I know the Director's Edition is revered around here, but I find many of the things they did to be unnecessary.
I appreciate Wise's better edit and the glorious finished sound mix.
I know the Director's Edition is revered around here, but I find many of the things they did to be unnecessary.
The sound mix is one of the things that drives me nuts in the DE. It is so much more bland and less interesting than the theatrical sound mix, IMHO. I also don't like how they did stuff just for the sake of doing it. The mantra was supposedly that they were just finishing the film the way it would have been done in 1979 if they'd had the time. No one in 1979 was looking to insert a TOS shuttlecraft into the film.I appreciate Wise's better edit and the glorious finished sound mix.
Hehe. The 4K edition took things a step further by including the Star Trek V's Galileo style shuttlecraft in the Starfleet headquarters landing area on the bottom left of the San Francisco establishing shot.The sound mix is one of the things that drives me nuts in the DE. It is so much more bland and less interesting than the theatrical sound mix, IMHO. I also don't like how they did stuff just for the sake of doing it. The mantra was supposedly that they were just finishing the film the way it would have been done in 1979 if they'd had the time. No one in 1979 was looking to insert a TOS shuttlecraft into the film.
Hehe. The 4K edition took things a step further by including the Star Trek V's Galileo style shuttlecraft in the Starfleet headquarters landing area on the bottom left of the San Francisco establishing shot.
By chance, is there an image of that somewhere? I think I missed that entirely.
It's theoretically been added to the 4K version of the DE, but IMHO it's not actually visible.I missed it so much that when I went to look I didn't see it.
The Wrath of Khan is also the most Trek. You know what? The Voyage Home is rather exceedingly Trek-y.
The Corbomite Maneuver
Balance of Terror
The Trouble with Tribbles / A Piece of the Action
All Trek.
I missed it so much that when I went to look I didn't see it.
I love this because it's in the novelization. Another gift from "the lost audio track" that was found.I'll always prefer Chekov calling down to engineering asking for reports. Let the crew do the talking!
TFF also gets grief because of the way the supporting characters are used, or not used, sort of being living, breathing props that just help move the main trio's story along. Well, guess what, that's very TOS as well. TVH having been an actual ensemble film where everyone got to do something important was actually the anomaly in that regard.TFF is the most Trek. The banter with the Trio, Action Adventure romp on Nimbus, the ship being taken over by aliens, Kirk facing down a God-entity.
Each of the movies is a different facet of TOS.
It may not be popular, but they all had scenes that stood out, that would have worked very well when they were younger on TOS - Sulu and Chekov getting lost in the woods,when they are the navigators; Scotty breaking them out of the brig; Uhura's distracting the natives, which would have been a lot more acceptable when she was younger / in the 60s; the whole "Captain Chekov" bit, and the attempt at giving Scotty and Uhura a romance (which actually, in retrospect, may have started in the final scene of TVH on the shuttlecraft, they seem very close, its very subtle) .... small bit parts, but endearing - like you said, very much in the vein of TOS. Shatner achieved exactly what he set out to do, what he was familiar with - the original style. (big fan of the movie, it was the first one I saw in the theater as a kid. Can never hate it.)TFF also gets grief because of the way the supporting characters are used, or not used, sort of being living, breathing props that just help move the main trio's story along. Well, guess what, that's very TOS as well. TVH having been an actual ensemble film where everyone got to do something important was actually the anomaly in that regard.
There was a post made on this forum by an artist who worked on the 4K version and he posted a lot of images of his work, including the shuttles. Sadly he was forced to take down the post since he was technically still in his NDA. Wish I had grabbed the images when I had the chance.It's theoretically been added to the 4K version of the DE, but IMHO it's not actually visible.
Some people do, but for me it's not an option. It's an adventure with the original cast, so it's not skippable. And I love it. All of the versions.Do people really say to skip it?
As a new fan, there's something I've noticed: those damn uniforms. What is going on with those? Why do they change so much? Kirk has at least 5 different outfits throughout the film, not to mention the general difference between the uniforms there and in the show. And from glimpses from the other films, they change even more! Does anyone have any behind the scenes information for these decisions or perhaps the uniforms' designs ? I'm sure canon reasons have been created for their exsistence, but the general variety within this film and to the next boggles my mind. I'm interested in why Gene and the producers etc felt these were necessary.
I loved it as a kid in 1979, even though I remember falling asleep in the theater in the middle. Star Wars made the splash but four big budget SF films following were really slow: Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Alien, The Black Hole and Star Trek The Motion Picture (throw Moonraker in there as well - a very languid Bond film with space action). The original emphasis seemed to be more about effects than pacing. But that's without drilling down into the lower budget ripoffs. On TV though, space dogfights were the thing on Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers.I imagined myself as a Trek fan in 79, not having seen new Trek on screen in a decade, and imagine the absolute awe that must have been felt from this film. For that, I forgive and appreciate that 6 minute docking scene haha. It was a bold move in a post Star Wars world.
Welcome! Excellent first post!First post, go easy on me,
I know none of this is probably new to any of you on here, but I hope you'll indulge this post![]()
All 6 of them are very Trek. Just some of them appeal differently to what people like most in their Trek.The Wrath of Khan is also the most Trek. You know what? The Voyage Home is rather exceedingly Trek-y.
The Corbomite Maneuver
Balance of Terror
The Trouble with Tribbles / A Piece of the Action
All Trek.
They totally could have left the lounge scene with Kirk, Spock and McCoy alone. I'd vastly prefer the wrong view outside to the very poor composite work they put in the final product. Also some of the new FX shots are too sharp and computery. I really thought the first pass in 2001 got it right and matched the original effects really well.I know the Director's Edition is revered around here, but I find many of the things they did to be unnecessary.
Agreed, the sound mix is to DIE for. The integration of the TOS sound effects is subtle. Unlike the really loud door swoosh in TUC that sounds like someone used a 1975 tape recorder in front of their TV.I appreciate Wise's better edit and the glorious finished sound mix.
Top be fair, other than Chekov, who in the Gang of Four had a lot of substantial work to do in TWOK? Scotty in the DE, but otherwise nobody. They got a little more business in TSFS (other than Chekov which is fair) but, as you said, they were spoiled by TVH. The first true ensemble film. Still, TFF gave them all more to do than Nick Meyer or Robert Wise did. When TUC came around, only Takei was well served. Everyone else got some pretty cringeworthy bits. Chekov came off particularly dense, Uhura had that scene with the books and Scotty....well he did okay. The DE gave him the awful "Klingon bitch" line.TFF also gets grief because of the way the supporting characters are used, or not used, sort of being living, breathing props that just help move the main trio's story along. Well, guess what, that's very TOS as well. TVH having been an actual ensemble film where everyone got to do something important was actually the anomaly in that regard.
I had assumed that they were showing the passage of time, but recently thought it through, and only one of Kirk's costume changes is unmotivated, and it's also one with a definite timeframe that's too little for him to have caught some sleep (though maybe he had a sonic shower and shave).Kirk I can almost understand. Admiral uniform to Captain was necessary. But going to the short sleeved shirt wasn't needed. However, I could understand if he did that after the spacewalk. And then to the long sleeved because he was going outside the ship.
I think people say skip it as not being the film to test first time viewers out on.
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