Star Trek: The Motion Picture 40th Anniversary theatre release 2019.

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  1. Jadeb

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    ^ I can see why people were frustrated when the film came out. It basically denies us the familiar trinity until the very end, and there was no guarantee we'd get more. But now, having seen all the adventures that followed, I can appreciate the bold risk they took with that approach. And, as you mention, it pays huge dividends down the line.

    I would guess the film's reputation still suffers partly because of that initial reaction.
     
  2. Indysolo

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    I got that reference.

    Neil
     
  3. Doc Mugatu

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    Considering the original release date for TMP here in the USA was December 8, 1979, that's pretty cool!

    Funny, at the showing I went to we had a different problem. As soon as the Klingon commander (Mark Leonard) called for "tactical" the film stopped and it jumped back to the last 5 minutes of the preceding "writing the motion picture" documentary. The doc ended and then the movie starts from the start. Rather then just let it go on uninterrupted, partway through the beginning credits they jump it ahead to just before it hickuped. Broke the spell for a few minutes.

    This was odd as I've been to more than a dozen Fathom Events presentations and this is the first time there was a glitch.

    As the preceding documentary explained, the "rush" wasn't really Wise's fault though. I'd say it was more the studios fault for having so many cooks in the kitchen. This film was certainly a testament to Robert Wise's talent to produce something so coherent out of such chaos.
     
  4. Lord Garth

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    I'm going to see the movie tonight with my brother. I just found out today that he invited my father. So I guess the three of us are going. My parents went to see TMP back in 1979. My mother is no longer living, but the rest of us are coming together for this Event.
     
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  5. Jadeb

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    That's awesome. I hope you all enjoy.
     
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  6. BillJ

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    Had to shift from Sunday to this afternoon, due to having a family member in hospice. Grateful to get to go, for the distraction if nothing else.
     
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  7. BeatleJWOL

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    Going with my dad this evening. Have never seen a TOS film in theaters (too young).
     
  8. BillJ

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    Going with my wife and 12 year old son (the youngest). It'll be interesting to get his impression. Will have to buy him popcorn! :lol:
     
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  9. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    We also saw a bronze variation of that Delta on the enlisted uniforms in II-VI.

    Fan reproductions of those patches are usually much better than the ones in the actual film! LOL.
     
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  10. Vger23

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    Going tonight...solo...at 7pm. The theater is 15 min from my work, but an hour from my house...so the logistics sucked to bring family or a nearby friend.

    I thought about not going, but I really don't want to miss this. I missed the TWOK event (again, the theater wasn't local to my home) and I regretted it. And...TMP is the only Trek movie I never saw in the theater!
     
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  11. BillJ

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    We had a good time. The Blu-ray looked fairly sharp on the big screen. The only downside was that there were only six people there, including my three.
     
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  12. ssosmcin

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    It’s not strictly the blu ray being protected but the print the blu ray was mastered from. Without the DNR.
     
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  13. tomalak301

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    I watched the movie this afternoon and gained a new appreciation for it. I still think the cloud flyby scene was a little too long, but there really is a sense of wonder to this film that probably hasn't been duplicated since. Also, that score gives me so many goosebumps listening to it on the big screen.

    There was stuff in this film I had completely forgotten about though. The transporter accident was kinda disturbing, even though I wish more had been done with it. I found it kind of amusing that you had Sonak's death and then 5 minutes later McCoy is coming aboard complaining about the transporter. McCoy really does make this movie too, kind of being Kirk's confidant throughout the whole thing.

    Speaking of Kirk, I was thinking about maybe making a thread about this, but was Kirk out of character in this movie? Granted, he has aged a lot since the original series but his brashness and nearly harshness was something I totally forgot about this film. I think I read a review on letterboxd that said this was Kirk going through a midlife crisis (Wanting the Enterprise back) and maybe that was the only thing that continued onto The Wrath of Khan with his birthday and him feeling old. It was interesting watching Kirk's character here, and how Decker was pretty much in the right during the entire film. I wonder if this film had been made today if that story plot would have been given a lot more.
     
  14. Vger23

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    I had a good time. The movie theater I went to was absolutely fantastic (easily best theater within a 50 mile radius) and comfortable (not to mention having a full bar), and my screening was relatively well attended, with about half the seats filled.

    Made for a great time.

    And now I've officially seen them all on the big screen!

    :hugegrin:
     
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  15. Lord Garth

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    Just got home. It was great to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture in all of its Big Screen Glory! I don't care how many times you've seen it on the small screen. If you haven't seen TMP on the Big Screen, you haven't seen TMP.

    Three takeaways I didn't have before:

    1. When you see V'Ger on the Big Screen it really POPS OUT. Something's lost in the translation when you see V'Ger on the small screen. You can't appreciate all the details unless you see it in the theater. Most of the rest of the time it's great to see TMP on the big screen but whenever V'Ger is on the screen that's when it kicks up to a whole other level.

    2. I always thought this movie had the best special effects and the best musical score of all the Star Trek movies. But, on the small screen, there were long stretches where it felt slow and boring because the small screen really doesn't do all those effects any justice at all. While watching them on the Big Screen, I was too mesmerized by them to notice anything else. I wasn't bored at all. I was totally captivated.

    3. This movie came out when I was a baby. Literally. It came out the same year I was born. If I'd been older and I'd seen all these movies as they came out... I would've been pissed that they destroyed the Enterprise in Star Trek III. I would've been pissed. Especially after all the beauty shots of the Enterprise in this film.

    Additional takeaways, even though I had them before:

    You really feel like they're in space. With all the ship shots, Enterprise and otherwise, dry dock, Epsilon IX, various Starfleet Officers in thruster suits. This feels like "Space, the final frontier."

    The Klingons at the beginning. Still bad-ass.

    This was a great experience, overall. I figured they might do something for the 40th Anniversary but I didn't know for sure. I'm glad my instincts turned out to be right. The only Star Trek movie I haven't seen in the theater now is TSFS. I'll be watching out for that one like a hawk.

    For reference: I saw TWOK in a theater in 2010 and 2017, TVH in 2012, and everything from TFF on during their cinematic run at the time.
     
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    Kirk's really an @$$ in the film, what he does to Decker is simply unforgivable. I suppose Roddenberry might insist things are different in his 'utopian' 23rd century, but there's really no real-world precedent for assuming your career would bounce back after someone's yanked away your promotion -even temporarily- during a time of crises. You're pretty much finished.

    I think what it really boils down to is Roddenberry didn't know his own characters as well as the writers who wrote for him did, and the latter largely thanks to receiving input over time from the actors themselves. I believe this was true with both TOS and TNG. The shuttlepodcasters on TrekMovie, in their review of Nemesis, commented that under Stuart Baird's direction the TNG characters seemed to have reverted back to their Season 1 status of development. I think the same is true with TMP under Gene Roddenberry and Bob Wise, in that it's almost like most of the TV series never happened and we're picking up with Kirk and Spock shortly after 'WNMHGB' or 'The Corbomite Maneuver' in terms of where character development (let alone character chemistry) seems to be. I believe it mostly 'works' given the movie's premise of almost everyone having been away for several years, however the experience still left Nimoy not really wanting to return to ST afterward (yet again) and that right there (along with the less than enthusiastic reactions of critics at the time) tells you something was way off. You can't help thinking Dorothy Fontana or David Gerald could have pulled a better script out of the same story. And... Kirk really does come off as an @$$.
     
  17. dswynne1

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    From what I recall, TMP was intended to be GR's "soft reboot" of the TOS television series (hence, the different look of the Klingons for instance). In fact, the novelization states that the TOS series was a fictional version of the Enterprise's famous 5-Year Mission, with TMP being the start of a more "mature" version of STAR TREK. Of course, those plans changed with GR no longer being involved with the films, starting with TWOK. Ergo, how Kirk was portrayed in the television series is different from his film portrayal.
     
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    TMP timeline is all sorts of wrong for the version of Kirk we got. Kirk talks like he’s only been in space for 5 years when he was on ships since he left the academy (“5 years dealing with unknowns like this’) and the 2 and a half years since they finished their final mission doesn’t give them nearly enough time for the cast to age as they have and for Kirk to get so distant from the series version. Had this actually been ten years since we actually last saw them, and have Kirk be truly sick of being grounded for 2½ years after spending his entire adult life exploring, then his attitude would have jived.

    Another thing that bugs me is Kirk and McCoy’s discussion about obsession. “And I intend to keep her?” I hate that line, since I cannot imagine Kirk isn’t self aware enough to know what he wants. Had Kirk been assigned by Negoura to take command, then Kirk and Decker could have had a better arc as Decker realizes Kirk really is the best man for the job and they forge a bond. It also would have kept Kirk likable. Instead, our hero starts the film undercutting a good young officer, emasculating him in front of subordinates in Engineering, then heaps double duty on him when Sonak dies. After that, he then gives his old buddy the job he hoisted on Decker – in front of everyone yet again. NO wonder Decker wanted to merge with V'Ger. His career was in shambles.

    As much as I love the charter of Kirk – he is my favorite overall – the movie series version is off. This film, the mid-life crisis version in TWOK and then the “literary spewing sad dude” in TSFS. After that, he’s just kinda Shatner.
     
  20. Lord Garth

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    I always took it as the five-year mission had a little more exploration and dealing with the unknown than Kirk's previous assignments. Whether or not what we see in TOS actually bears that out is debatable, but that's the sense they wanted to convey in TMP. Kirk had a 15-year career before the first season of TOS. See "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Corbomite Maneuver", and "Obsession", which bear that out. In TMP, Kirk's five-year mission was supposed to be more extraordinary than anything he did before or after. So I took at as "five years of dealing with unknowns like this". You add five years on top of the 15 years at the beginning of the series, that gives you 20 years (in rough terms). So 20 years of being "out there" with the last five being the most "out there" of all would make him pretty frustrated with two-and-a-half years behind a desk.

    The promotion to Admiral might've sounded great on paper but he didn't like being on the bench. So I'd argue that the Kirk we see in TMP actually does represent how the TOS Kirk would feel if he were stuck behind a desk for a few years. Kirk goes out of his way to fight to retain command of the Enterprise in "Court Martial". Mainly because he wouldn't stand for being accused of something he didn't do but also because, on some level, he didn't like the idea of a ground assignment. I think he realized he made a mistake accepting a promotion to Admiral almost immediately after he did, which is why he told Decker he hoped to one day gain a starship command again.
     
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