Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Commander Richard, May 17, 2022.

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  1. 10 - Excellent!

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  2. 9

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  10. 1 - I give it a number one, and not the good Number One.

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  1. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Number One: Look at me. I'm the captain now.
     
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  2. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I’m pretty sure that’s not how the transporter buffer works. Even if you have a continuous power source it’s still likely that the pattern would still determine rate. Scotty was very lucky he survived it.
     
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  3. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Well M'Benga did mention something about materializing her once in a while makes it safer than usual. Also, maybe M'Benga's just plain wrong about how safe this all is. He's a doctor, not a transporter chief.

    You know, I thought that TOS was so primitive having those restraining belts on insane sickbay patients instead of something more advanced like forcefields. But apparently before Kirk's tenure they didn't have even those primitive belts!
     
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  4. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

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    The Khan of TOS has been left behind. Under that Khan, there were no massacres. Under this new Khan, there were massacres. He is described by his descendant as a mass murderer.

    SPOCK: Gentlemen, this romanticism about a ruthless dictator is
    KIRK: Mister Spock, we humans have a streak of barbarism in us. Appalling, but there, nevertheless.
    SCOTT: There were no massacres under his rule.
    SPOCK: And as little freedom.
    MCCOY: No wars until he was attacked.

    The show has canonized the fact that Una Chin-Riley was an Illyrian.
     
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  5. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if Ms. Singh is overcompensating in her Khan hate.
     
  6. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Just think of it as a different timeline. Makes it more enjoyable.
     
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  7. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I read in a review that the precise connection to Khan is that
    he was her grandpa
    :crazy:
     
  8. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Considering he tried to massacre the crew of the Enterprise very soon afterwards I'm willing to bet Khan covered his massacres up in official records.
     
  9. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Temporal Cold War. Its always the Temporal Cold War.
     
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  10. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

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    As has been demonstrated recently, it is hard for anyone to cover up massacres. There is always evidence left behind. I personally believe that the TOS writers had a different idea of what kind of dictator Khan might be.

    I am content to accept it as a different timeline.
     
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  11. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Commodore Commodore

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    I love that PIke doesn't care one bit about Una being a Illyrian. After serving with her for almost a good decade (Still unknown if she served on the Enterprise prior to her becoming First officer) at this point, he can trust her impeccably and with his life.
     
  12. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm not. However, I think that a dictator of 1/3rd of the world killed a LOT of people no matter what. Massacre can be applied to a lot of things, especially compared against other dictators.

    Basically, how Napoleon is remembered in some countries versus others.
     
  13. Lord Garth

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    Started good, then became better as it went along. I like how Pike dealt with Number One being Illyrian. La'an's reaction struck true as well. But the thing that really drives the episode home is Number One's pointed question to herself: how would she be regarded if she wasn't thought of as "one of the good ones?"

    I never really thought too much about it before when all we had of Pike's crew was "The Cage" but ever since SNW has become a thing, I've wondered "Why didn't Number One become Captain of the Enterprise after Pike instead of Kirk?" Sadly with Starfleet Command being the way it is, clutching their pearls in public to maintain an image, I think she doesn't become Captain because of their intolerance. That makes the Starfleet Admirals who decide these things hypocrites since the Federation claims to be tolerant, but all it is is a claim. They're tolerant up to a point, then very intolerant after that.

    The characterization remains spectular, the planet-of-the-week crisis looks routine at first, but then the plot becomes more and more character-driven to the point where it overpowers any routine.

    The Illyrians on this world tried to bend over backwards to get into the good graces of the Federation by not doing what was necessary to save themselves and it ended up costing their lives. This is why you don't bend over for society so completely. That society doesn't have your best interests at heart.

    Not powerful enough to be a 10, but deserves more than an "I really liked it!" 8 because there was so much to take away from it... so I'm going to give this episode a 9.
     
  14. Lord Garth

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    It looked like it was going to be like that at first, but I'm glad they did so much more with it.
     
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  15. Gepard

    Gepard Vice Admiral Admiral

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    A little flabby, but if that's the worst episode out of the first five as suggested by some of the advanced reviews, we're in really good shape. It wasn't bad at all, just felt like the script needed another pass to make certain elements land harder – Una coming clean to M'Benga and Pike didn't feel very dramatic and mostly seemed to come out of nowhere.

    Probably my favorite idea was M'Benga's suggestion that humans just swap out new bigotry to replace the old. I would like to have seen that supported better in the story, but the virus plot distracted from it.

    Still, I overall enjoyed the episode.
     
  16. KamenRiderBlade

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    Somebody changed the SOP (Standard Operation Protocols) in the future for the worse.
    -_-

    At least he had a good reason, to pause the progression or dramatically slow the progression of the disease that he can't cure yet.

    His Trek amongst the unknown to find a cure for his daughter reminds me of B5 Crusade and the Trek amongst the Stars for a cure to the Drahk Plague.

    Also, if Pike is defending her and still in StarFleet that far in the future, that most likely means he wins any argument or debate.
     
  17. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

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    I would like an opinion on something. In the entrance to the ready room, there are two illustrations of ships. It can be seen at 45:46. Is one of those ships a Daedalus-class? I think the other is a NX class starship.
     
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  18. ToddCam

    ToddCam Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Was I the only one who thought Number One looked like she was regenerating when her body purged the light disease? She almost became Number Two.
     
  19. NCC-73515

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    Yes, the left one is a Daedalus
     
  20. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm hoping he's just being cynical but he's not entirely wrong.
     
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