Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Commander Richard, May 17, 2022.

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  1. 10 - Excellent!

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  10. 1 - I give it a number one, and not the good Number One.

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  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    They misunderstood your post, they're not being dishonest. Just explain to them what you meant, it isn't that hard.
     
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  2. Belz...

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    If the ark of the covenant is on that planet it would explain the constant ion storms.
     
  3. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Pike has a dark secret, Number One has a dark secret, M'Benga has a dark secret. No wonder in-universe everyone keeps talking about Kirk's tenure on the ship and not Pike's. Pike's entire time is probably classified.
     
  4. Belz...

    Belz... Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Well Kirk also has a dark secret... and Spock has several. :P
     
  5. Jayson1

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    Only in the movies. If anything I think modern Trek at this point must be chasing Dukat and Weyoun in terms of ongoing baddies for a tv series.
     
  6. Captain Jollydark

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    I haven't watched it again yet but I thought M'Benga said something about his daughter being in the transporter buffer was the result of an accident (that ends up fortuitous since she is in a kind of stasis as a result). I have trouble understanding him. Not the accent but the timbre of the actor's voice. I'll have to use the good headphones next time.
     
  7. Yistaan

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    If they're going to take stuff from the novels to the point of overwriting screen canon as in the Illyrians, then I wish they kept the Eugenics Wars as an underground war as shown in the books. But apparently Khan's name was so well known that La'an's classmates were mocking her for being related to him...
     
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  8. Tuskin38

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    She has a disease, it wasn't an accident. Keeping her in the buffer is basically suspended animation so it doesn't progress.
     
  9. Jayson1

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    I think has more to do with the original intent on a idea sort of being lost to time. For example the Prime Directive is so clearly about Vietnam in TOS. By the time you get to now it all of sudden feels like a a bunch of privileged people playing God to less advanced people. It's what happens when you got multiple writers over multiple decades still trying to keep everything in order to respect the canon.
     
  10. Jayson1

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    I think with the Illyrians you can at least write that off as two different aliens having the same name. I think they did that before with the Tarrelians. I think we had the human looking ones from "Haven" and the ones with 4 arms like the piano playing lady from "Unification."
     
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    And Roddenberry refining his utopian vision to an annoyingly septic and unworkable level. Gene's Federation in the 1960s seemed to operate to a more common sense degree than it would when shown in TNG.
     
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  12. Belz...

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    Yeah, after all we have the Romulans (Vulcans) and the Romans (humans), and so on. And we brought up before the alien version of "Colt" and so on. So many people and cultures and only so many pronunciations.
     
  13. cooleddie74

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    I know the humanoids in "Liaisons(TNG)" were the Iyaarans.
     
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  14. Yistaan

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    Just one of the many, many, many "rare" incurable diseases (that don't exist in our world, man humans sure got a lot of new incurable diseases after breaking the warp barrier) in Trek's medically advanced universe that strangely only seem to affect Starfleet officers or those directly related to them.
     
  15. Jayson1

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    I agree. TNG is almost best with less details and lots of stuff like how they solved racism is left to the imagination. I think that that was also the shows appeal. It just makes you feel good in the possibilities and if they started to explain to much how it happened people could easily pick apart the reasons Earth became a utopia.

    Well that and the show was unique in it's no conflict rules. While it robbed the characters of every being as fun together as a Kirk/Spock/Bones or Odo/Quark it also prevented any bad Discovery melodrama from screwing things up as well. Closest they got to that was the Worf/Troi romance in season 7 where they only seemed to hook up in alternate timelines and dreams.
     
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  16. Belz...

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    What do you expect, when your employees travel to strange new worlds? They're gonna catch diseases, especially when they... ahem... mingle with the locals.
     
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  17. JoaquinSlowly

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    ‪‪I think it’s more of a direct result of the subject of the shows being Starfleet officers, and not anything conspicuous or difficult to imagine.
     
  18. Krupp

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    Another very enjoyable episode! I even love the classic Trek "Starfleet and risk assessments?!" when dealing with the approaching ion storm.

    For me, I don't really care about overwriting non-screen canon, and even a bit of on screen mix up for a series around since the 1960s. This is pure episode in a bottle Trek, love it.
     
  19. Yistaan

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    M'Benga: So Captain I can explain--

    Pike: I don't care at all about that business with your daughter in the transporter. Why do people who should be restrained escape so easily from your sickbay? This is the 2nd time in 2 weeks! Have you considered installing even basic restraint belts into sickbay beds?
     
  20. CorporalCaptain

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    I went with 10/10. The epilogues pushed it up and over into great territory, especially M'Benga's.

    Without those, it would have been merely an episode that significantly outdid all the various Berman-era episodes that handled what was in broad strokes the same core premise.

    Focusing on the difference between this episode and the vast majority of all Berman-era episodes a bit more, this episode had significant literary themes and character dilemmas that transcended the plot. In the end, it was actually about multiple things far beyond simply solving the puzzle box of the week. The question, "Is this person who breaks the rules we impose still a good person?" is a universal one.

    Returning back to the rest of the episode, what differentiated it from Berman-era Trek is that it never belabored the obvious. Rather, it kept moving and piling on the twists, and it was willing to leave the resolution of many of the twists until after the climax had passed.