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Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

Rate the movie...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • 9

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • 8

    Votes: 11 4.4%
  • 7

    Votes: 21 8.4%
  • 6

    Votes: 33 13.1%
  • 5

    Votes: 37 14.7%
  • 4

    Votes: 17 6.8%
  • 3

    Votes: 27 10.8%
  • 2

    Votes: 27 10.8%
  • 1 - Terrible!

    Votes: 67 26.7%

  • Total voters
    251
No, it’s really not a subjective opinion in this case. The movie was universally panned. And because of that, it’s highly unlikely that the TV movie format is going to be a thing anymore, no matter that people are still watching it. I get that you want to live in some fantasy land where you think S31 was some awesome thing, which you are welcome to do. But that’s not the reality, sorry.
I see nothing here to change my mind, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary, of which I've only supplied a handful. The status remains unchanged, I see a roughly equal divide between like and dislike, with an edge going for it for its successful viewership.

The regular TV Movie idea is still a thing. Of course, it all rests upon the new leadership at Paramount. Give it 6 months before we even start talking much about the future of the franchise, aside from some 60th anniversary stuff which I heard was being planned.
 
I see nothing here to change my mind, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary, of which I've only supplied a handful. The status remains unchanged, I see a roughly equal divide between like and dislike, with an edge going for it for its successful viewership.

The regular TV Movie idea is still a thing. Of course, it all rests upon the new leadership at Paramount. Give it 6 months before we even start talking much about the future of the franchise, aside from some 60th anniversary stuff which I heard was being planned.

By all means, please supply the information that proves that the Section 31 movie was an astounding success.
 
I just rewatched 31 for the first time in about 9 months. It certainly wears well. I continue to like the spirit of it and is a fun movie. I'm not changing my rating at all.

I think fans forget Gene Roddenberry promoted Trek as an entertaining action-adventure.

My biggest takeaway now as it was then: They did enough that I want to see the characters in a series!
 
It was dogshit awful enough the one time I saw it that I have yet to be compelled to ever watch it again. Nor have I felt the need to buy it on blu-ray - something I have never once in my life said about something produced in the Star Trek franchise.

Picard's disastrous second season - near the bottom of the heap - at least had some redeeming qualities in those 10 hours of dreck. Section 31 couldn't manage one during its 90-minute runtime.
 
It was dogshit awful enough the one time I saw it that I have yet to be compelled to ever watch it again. Nor have I felt the need to buy it on blu-ray - something I have never once in my life said about something produced in the Star Trek franchise.

Picard's disastrous second season - near the bottom of the heap - at least had some redeeming qualities in those 10 hours of dreck. Section 31 couldn't manage one during its 90-minute runtime.
PIC Season 2 is, in my opinion, THE single worst season of Star Trek ever made.

Section 31 somehow manages to be worse.
 
SF Debris is one of the few YT reviewers that I really enjoy, mostly because I found him long before he felt he had to move to YT. He finally did Section 31 review, which is probably more entertaining than the film itself to many.
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Gonna have to give this a re-watch soon. Surely it's not as bad as we all remember.:ouch:
I've watched it twice. I maintain that while it certainly is not a good movie, it's not the disaster so many make it seem to be. It's dumb fun (emphasis on dumb) which can provide a suitable distraction for an hour and a half. Are there better ways to spend that hour and a half? Yes. But there are also much worse.
 
The worst part was the Irish accent of the Vulcan, who wasn't really a Vulcan but a robot controlled by a microscopic squid thing inside. It was a ludicrous bad guy performance straight out of some film school project at worst or rancid 80's straight to video thing at best.

Then, having suffered enough over the last 80 something minutes... maybe the closing scenes would show promise where this could go... but no, his identical twin turns up at the end! Spouting an equally insulting Southern states accent! Presumably because that casting is somehow very important to the team going forward... I mean, get rid of that actor, keep the two they randomly 'offed' and I might've been open to seeing more. I'm being brutally honest here, and obviously wish him well somewhere very far away from Star Trek. :lol:

It's disastrous, but maybe it was a new (insanely expensive) approach where Pilots for potential series are just streamed to their target audience in future for feedback. Taken back to the workshop and well in Section 31's case, completely redone from scratch, while we all repress having ever seen the first attempt. I disliked Mirror Universe Georgiou really strongly throughout Discovery... but she was suited to being a central character in a Section 31 show, had she been the only uncontrollable loose cannon in a more workable team setup of agents, rather than literally everyone being a ticking time bomb.

And the early 24th Century setting is worthless, unless you lean into making that part of fandom happy by bringing in Sulu or Harriman maybe, for your S31 team actions to be scrutinised by and for them to butt heads with the more honest Boy Scout Starfleet. Yes, Garratt's supposed to be that, but obviously bad company rubs off and it needed an Excelsior or Enterprise-B equivalent full of regular officers looking over their shoulders. That was needed more than something Jamie Lee Curtis is no doubt hurriedly scrubbing from her resumé.
 
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And the early 24th Century setting is worthless, unless you lean into making that part of fandom happy by bringing in Sulu or Harriman maybe, for your S31 team actions to be scrutinised by and for them to butt heads with the more honest Boy Scout Starfleet. Yes, Garratt's supposed to be that, but obviously bad company rubs off and it needed an Excelsior or Enterprise-B equivalent full of regular officers looking over their shoulders.
Everyone talks about how they wanted the Enterprise B or C or at least an Excelsior or Ambassador class ship showing up to save the day, is a sort of "call in the cavalry to finish this up" sort of way. But really, wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of Section 31 being clandestine? They're meant to be the ones who save the day in the shadows while the rest of Starfleet and indeed the Federation continue on in blissful ignorance. They're not doing that if they bring in one of Starfleet's capital ships (especially not if it's the flagship) as their backup.
 
Maybe not save the day but perhaps bounce off each other. Both crews working towards the same goal just with different methods. I feel like this movie needed something to visually tie it to the Star Trek we recognize. A Starfleet ship or a monster maroon. They put Star Trek in the title but there was little of it.

Edit: Guess that kind of sounds like Renegades but having a plucky Boy Scout Starfleet crew pop up occasionally to try and unknowingly thwart our Section 31 crew would have broken up some of the dourness.
 
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Everyone talks about how they wanted the Enterprise B or C or at least an Excelsior or Ambassador class ship showing up to save the day, is a sort of "call in the cavalry to finish this up" sort of way. But really, wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of Section 31 being clandestine? They're meant to be the ones who save the day in the shadows while the rest of Starfleet and indeed the Federation continue on in blissful ignorance. They're not doing that if they bring in one of Starfleet's capital ships (especially not if it's the flagship) as their backup.

Well, speaking for myself I would have liked to at least have seen Starfleet in the form of Garrett on Earth being briefed for her mission before we see her on the Baraam, with perhaps an establishing shot of some starships in orbit like the Ambassador class, instead of just the random infodump about Georgiou we got at the start. But then again, I’m not sure I would have trusted the producers to create period-specific background ships, especially just for an establishing shot. We probably would have just seen more DSC season 1 ships, or 25th century PIC STO ships.
 
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The worst part was the Irish accent of the Vulcan, who wasn't really a Vulcan but a robot controlled by a microscopic squid thing inside. It was a ludicrous bad guy performance straight out of some film school project at worst or rancid 80's straight to video thing at best.
Reminded me of a lot of 50s vintage sci-fi art.
 
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