Re: Star Trek: Dirty Laundry (Truth and Rumors)
It saddens me that he'd have all of those destroyed.
It saddens me that he'd have all of those destroyed.
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Re: Star Trek: Dirty Laundry (Truth and Rumors)
Actually that was standard procedure for a lot of Hollywood films before the advent of DVD and the concept of "Extras". It may not be that Wise didn't want the bloopers seen but instead it was his way of maintaining security on a huge production. However, there are actors and directors that hate bloopers and would rather not have them shown due to the embarrassment. Either way Mr. Wise has past on and can not confirm, deny or explain why he did what he did.
But let me be honest, this thread bothers me a little. Rumors are just that, rumors. We don't know the entire story. We also don't know what has been exaggerated or embellished as it was retold again and again. Anecdotal stories given at a convention is one thing but for everything else we should be cautious. A majority of what has been posted here should also be treated as fiction until proven otherwise. And innocent speculation about a rumor is one thing but I think we should refrain from pointing fingers without knowing all the facts.
Actually that was standard procedure for a lot of Hollywood films before the advent of DVD and the concept of "Extras". It may not be that Wise didn't want the bloopers seen but instead it was his way of maintaining security on a huge production. However, there are actors and directors that hate bloopers and would rather not have them shown due to the embarrassment. Either way Mr. Wise has past on and can not confirm, deny or explain why he did what he did.
But let me be honest, this thread bothers me a little. Rumors are just that, rumors. We don't know the entire story. We also don't know what has been exaggerated or embellished as it was retold again and again. Anecdotal stories given at a convention is one thing but for everything else we should be cautious. A majority of what has been posted here should also be treated as fiction until proven otherwise. And innocent speculation about a rumor is one thing but I think we should refrain from pointing fingers without knowing all the facts.
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Perhaps, I think maybe I could have worded the thread title differently, obviously the idea of this thread was for people to share rumors, they've heard at conventions, etc
I started by setting the tone, I wrote down some innocent anecdotal stories, that are common knowledge and I assume people will follow suite, however I will take responsiblity if something malicious is posted
But I agree perhaps changing the thread title to something less "Provocative" would be a good idea, if you guys can do that, perhaps "Star Trek: Behind The Scenes Stories" or something of the like
Heres an adjusted opening paragraph for my OP
I always find it fascinating when you hear rumors or stories of what is really going on behind the scenes in a well known TV Show or Movie In Star Trek, theres been numerous instances where various rumors have become "Public Knowledge" relating to Cast and Crew goings on, most of the time they are just that..."Rumors", however occasionly you get a story, however obscure that turns out to be true
Perhaps, I think maybe I could have worded the thread title differently, obviously the idea of this thread was for people to share rumors, they've heard at conventions, etc
I started by setting the tone, I wrote down some innocent anecdotal stories, that are common knowledge and I assume people will follow suite, however I will take responsiblity if something malicious is posted
But I agree perhaps changing the thread title to something less "Provocative" would be a good idea, if you guys can do that, perhaps "Star Trek: Behind The Scenes Stories" or something of the like
Heres an adjusted opening paragraph for my OP
I always find it fascinating when you hear rumors or stories of what is really going on behind the scenes in a well known TV Show or Movie In Star Trek, theres been numerous instances where various rumors have become "Public Knowledge" relating to Cast and Crew goings on, most of the time they are just that..."Rumors", however occasionly you get a story, however obscure that turns out to be true
Re: Star Trek: Dirty Laundry (Truth and Rumors)
How about Star Trek: Rumors?
My main concern here was folks taking rumors and thinking they were true. I was also concerned about libel. Gossip magazines get away with things like this by posting them as "blinds" or leaving out the names. We are not doing that here so it opens up a HUGE ugly can of worms for the board and everyone involved. But your reworded opening paragraph fixes that. The title change helps also so no worries now.
How about Star Trek: Rumors?
My main concern here was folks taking rumors and thinking they were true. I was also concerned about libel. Gossip magazines get away with things like this by posting them as "blinds" or leaving out the names. We are not doing that here so it opens up a HUGE ugly can of worms for the board and everyone involved. But your reworded opening paragraph fixes that. The title change helps also so no worries now.
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Yeah I looked back when you said and realised that essentially I had written an article for Cosmopolitan Magazine
Heres another interesting little tidbit,
The "Blue Food" during the "Dinner Scene" in TUC was made up of Crab Meat and Blue Food Colouring, apparently it was so disgusting that Nicholas Meyer promised $10 to any cast member for each bite they took
How about Star Trek: Rumors?
My main concern here was folks taking rumors and thinking they were true. I was also concerned about libel. Gossip magazines get away with things like this by posting them as "blinds" or leaving out the names. We are not doing that here so it opens up a HUGE ugly can of worms for the board and everyone involved. But your reworded opening paragraph fixes that. The title change helps also so no worries now.
Yeah I looked back when you said and realised that essentially I had written an article for Cosmopolitan Magazine
Heres another interesting little tidbit,
The "Blue Food" during the "Dinner Scene" in TUC was made up of Crab Meat and Blue Food Colouring, apparently it was so disgusting that Nicholas Meyer promised $10 to any cast member for each bite they took
Re: Star Trek: Dirty Laundry (Truth and Rumors)
While good for covering our collective butts, I now feel like I can post anything on this thread and start whatever rumors I wish.
That said, I'll make a strong effort to restrain myself.
While good for covering our collective butts, I now feel like I can post anything on this thread and start whatever rumors I wish.
That said, I'll make a strong effort to restrain myself.
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Roddenberry had encouraged Susan Sackett to make the announcement (that Spock would be killed off) at a major UK convention. In a "Starlog" interview, long after the event, Harve Bennett says he "really should thank that lady" (without actually naming her) who essentially forced them to improve the film. Of course, at the time, the fan club newsletters and con reviews left us no doubt how events unfolded, even though the media didn't necessarily name and shame.
I should point out that Susan and Harve have quite an amicable understanding - she speaks of him very fondly, and Susan has very strong opinions of people at Paramount (and vice versa).
Roddenberry had encouraged Susan Sackett to make the announcement (that Spock would be killed off) at a major UK convention. In a "Starlog" interview, long after the event, Harve Bennett says he "really should thank that lady" (without actually naming her) who essentially forced them to improve the film. Of course, at the time, the fan club newsletters and con reviews left us no doubt how events unfolded, even though the media didn't necessarily name and shame.
I should point out that Susan and Harve have quite an amicable understanding - she speaks of him very fondly, and Susan has very strong opinions of people at Paramount (and vice versa).
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Hilariously documented in "Chekov's Enterprise" by Walter Koenig. As are many others.
As for ST bloopers, modern contracts often include paragraphs regarding additional payments for the release of bloopers featuring the actor, and he or she can elect to opt out, AFAIK. In the 70s, the only "approved" bloopers were those featured on shows such as "TV Bloopers and Practical Jokes", and actors would do a legal sign-off to permit screening of those chosen clips, but the Season 1 and 2 TOS bloopers escaped into public domain. The Season 3 bloopers (and TNG bloopers) are much rarer (or were for several decades), because Paramount tightened security on such things and discouraged bloopers from being taken to conventions.
Actors had many concerns about their work going out in a form for which no payment was able to be collected. Others were embarrassed that their many flubs were becoming common knowledge.
Hilariously documented in "Chekov's Enterprise" by Walter Koenig. As are many others.
As for ST bloopers, modern contracts often include paragraphs regarding additional payments for the release of bloopers featuring the actor, and he or she can elect to opt out, AFAIK. In the 70s, the only "approved" bloopers were those featured on shows such as "TV Bloopers and Practical Jokes", and actors would do a legal sign-off to permit screening of those chosen clips, but the Season 1 and 2 TOS bloopers escaped into public domain. The Season 3 bloopers (and TNG bloopers) are much rarer (or were for several decades), because Paramount tightened security on such things and discouraged bloopers from being taken to conventions.
Actors had many concerns about their work going out in a form for which no payment was able to be collected. Others were embarrassed that their many flubs were becoming common knowledge.
Me, not so much.
Didn't Nimoy, so hating the original blooper reel, initiate legal action to suppress it's showing?
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I finally saw the TOS blooper reel, after many years of hearing about it, let's say I was less than impressed.
The cast, as a whole, was miffed that some fan, entrusted with the precious reels brought to a convention by Gene Roddenberry in the early 70s, snuck them off to be duplicated and thus enabling them to pass into public domain, where royalties would be forever lost to the actors and only bootleggers would grow rich.
Am I the only one who thinks that this makes Meyer look like more of an ass than Shatner? No wonder Meyer has directed only a TV movie since Star Trek:TUC.
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I stand corrected. Thanks T'Girl.
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I stand corrected. Thanks T'Girl.
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I was unsure whether Patrick Stewart was only joking, or telling a funny truth, but during one ComiCon, when Brent was onstage and Patrick was posing as an audience member [you know how they do that, although it's usually reversed], Patrick revealed that one of the nicknames used on the TNG set for Brent was "Spiner the Whiner".
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That's it, thank you Therin. I remember reading excerpts of Walter Koenig's book "Chekov's Enterprise" in the Fall issues of Starlog magazine during the Fall of 1979.
As for TMP bloopers, I think Robert Wise said in an interview that he had them destoryed because it would have been unprofessional to allow the public to see them.
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That's it, thank you Therin. I remember reading excerpts of Walter Koenig's book "Chekov's Enterprise" in the Fall issues of Starlog magazine during the Fall of 1979.
As for TMP bloopers, I think Robert Wise said in an interview that he had them destoryed because it would have been unprofessional to allow the public to see them.
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Re: Star Trek: Dirty Laundry (Truth and Rumors)
Actually bloopers back in those days were considered private among the production and normally shown during wrap parties for films and television shows.
Actually bloopers back in those days were considered private among the production and normally shown during wrap parties for films and television shows.
Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher) cowrote the title hit for European superstar Anastacia‘s album Not That Kind, which sold over 10 million copies.
And the little girl in the children's picture book, "Momo's Kitten", was based on actress Momo Yashima, who played one of the bridge crew in ST:TMP. The book was written by Momo's father.
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Yes, but they were made popular by Kermit Schaefer, first on radio(?) and then on TV. "TV Bloopers & Practical Jokes" always had an onscreen "thank you" credit to Kermit "Mr Blooper" Schaefer.
Yes, but they were made popular by Kermit Schaefer, first on radio(?) and then on TV. "TV Bloopers & Practical Jokes" always had an onscreen "thank you" credit to Kermit "Mr Blooper" Schaefer.
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I've read a lot of the books the actors have written, and Takei's states that the promotion to captain for Sulu had been written in the script for TWOK, and was even attempted to be filmed -- but that Shatner kept giving such a shitty, monotone performance, rushing through it, that Meyer got disgusted and abandoned the whole idea.
Hence, when he came back to direct Star Trek VI, he made sure to start the flick off with just such: Captain Sulu.
The Kim Cattrall nude photos, I believe Nimoy himself confirms such in "I Am Spock" or Shatner does in "Movie Memories" -- I can't recall. The reason he had them destroyed then was that he feared it would sully Star Trek's reputation, specifically, as she had posed for the photos in make-up (ears) and on the bridge set itself.
Here are some more "rumors" that have come from the books and convention stories and so on...
- Kirstie Alley was misinformed about how much other people got salary wise, so when TSFS came around, she asked for a sum of money that was twice what they paid DeForest Kelley. Which is why she walked when they refused and offered her much less.
- For the record, Kelley (according to his official biography) made $1 million for Star Trek V and VI, and I believe $750,000 for ST IV. He really put his foot down for the pay raise for STV, as he was getting older and wanted to make sure his wife was taken care of after he was gone. When the film flopped and ST VI came around, he was worried he would have to take less or fight for the same, but Nimoy as executive producer simply summarily decreed the same fee as last time.
- During contract negotiations for either Star Trek II or Star Trek III, Leonard Nimoy refused to sign on unless the "fab four" (Doohan, Takei, Keonig, Nichols) where each given their fair share of residuals from the TOS re-runs, which had not been part of their contracts back in the 60s.
All I can remember right now...
I've read a lot of the books the actors have written, and Takei's states that the promotion to captain for Sulu had been written in the script for TWOK, and was even attempted to be filmed -- but that Shatner kept giving such a shitty, monotone performance, rushing through it, that Meyer got disgusted and abandoned the whole idea.
Hence, when he came back to direct Star Trek VI, he made sure to start the flick off with just such: Captain Sulu.
The Kim Cattrall nude photos, I believe Nimoy himself confirms such in "I Am Spock" or Shatner does in "Movie Memories" -- I can't recall. The reason he had them destroyed then was that he feared it would sully Star Trek's reputation, specifically, as she had posed for the photos in make-up (ears) and on the bridge set itself.
Here are some more "rumors" that have come from the books and convention stories and so on...
- Kirstie Alley was misinformed about how much other people got salary wise, so when TSFS came around, she asked for a sum of money that was twice what they paid DeForest Kelley. Which is why she walked when they refused and offered her much less.
- For the record, Kelley (according to his official biography) made $1 million for Star Trek V and VI, and I believe $750,000 for ST IV. He really put his foot down for the pay raise for STV, as he was getting older and wanted to make sure his wife was taken care of after he was gone. When the film flopped and ST VI came around, he was worried he would have to take less or fight for the same, but Nimoy as executive producer simply summarily decreed the same fee as last time.
- During contract negotiations for either Star Trek II or Star Trek III, Leonard Nimoy refused to sign on unless the "fab four" (Doohan, Takei, Keonig, Nichols) where each given their fair share of residuals from the TOS re-runs, which had not been part of their contracts back in the 60s.
All I can remember right now...
Re: Star Trek: Dirty Laundry (Truth and Rumors)
Which can't be true because the scripts never contained such a scene.
Which can't be true because the scripts never contained such a scene.
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