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Star Trek remastered- your opinions

Cyrus: James Holt was one of the key compositors on TOS-R. It takes a considerable amount of artistry as well as technical expertise and grim determination to do this well, especially on a tight schedule. We were fortunate to have James on the project, as well as Cliff, Ryan, Nicki, and Deane. I don't know if James did the actual compositing work on the chronometer shots, but it's certainly possible.

-Mike
 
Hey, Mike!

Yes, I LOVED the new chronometers. Well done!

Question: Was it because of time constraints that most of the hand phaser effects were left untouched? As I said before, I saw a big missed opportunity there--especially when you consider the EXCELLENT phaser effects in the Remastered "The Naked Time" and "Wink of an Eye".
 
Oh, one other comment for Mike:
I thoroughly enjoyed the commentaries you did with Denise, Garfield, Judith, and Darren on the TMP & STV BDs. You seemed to have a grand time doing them.

Listening to your commentary was the only thing that allowed me to make it through V.

Doug
 
I watched the show in its original network run, until they moved it opposite of "Laugh In". We only had one TV set and my dad liked "Laugh In" better. Anyway, I have heard people bash TOS for the special effects for years and I never understood why. It was cutting edge stuff for a TV show at the time. My imagination just filled in the missing parts, and I made allowances in my mind for the shortcomings because I knew it was all they could do at the time. Having said that though, I must say that for the most part I have thoroughly enjoyed the remastered editions. I bought them on DVD about a year ago and I don't think I've watched the un-remastered since then. I don't understand why CBS didn't allow more money and time to fix more of the problems because it would enhance the value of these "79 jewels" even more. I've noticed that some of the remasters seem to have cleaned up some of the regular non-effects shots, but left others untouched. It's a bit jarring when watching a visually near perfect scene with a splice of a grainy untouched shot included in the middle of it. The planets look fantastic! The Enterprise herself sometimes looks a little odd to me. For some reason the 11 foot model just looks more "real" to me. Overall, I have to say that the remastered shows have really enhanced my enjoyment of the show. I really appreciate the fine job the restoration team on my favorite TV show. I'll be enjoying the changes for years. THANK YOU!
 
To me, it was a pointless exercise. Don't give me souped-up versions of Classic Trek, give me NEW Classic Trek. Now that would've been a worthwhile endeavor. Obviously Paramount/Viacom thought so, too, since they gave us Star Trek:2009.
 
I agree with others who say it was a mixed bag.

Some stuff was really nice, some was dodgy.

It took them a while just to get the nacelle caps right.

It seems like an effort that was rushed. Some shots seem incomplete, others are glorious.

They didn't do as much as I would have preferred (assuming they had more time, money, and/or possibly a more sophisticated CG effects outfit in the mix).

The planets, for example, still look nice from space, but reveal the same monochromatic lifeless skies when the crew beams down.

Why didn't they ever animate the little pictures and graphs which hang above the bridge?

I'd rather have it than not have it, and I think the crew the did it deserves credit for doing as much as they could.
 
Whoa, this one's back from the dead.

I've thoroughly enjoyed the Remastered versions - just watched "The Cage" the other evening, in fact.
 
I'm with Dennis. I think they're fan-frakkin'-tabulous.

I was initially worried. When you think remastering of special effects, you think of Star Wars and the (frankly) butchery committed to it by Lucas for his Special Editions. It's one thing to update an effect with modern techniques and another entirely to go inserting that which was never in the original.

So for example, while I approve of Lucas changing the Landspeeder special effects because they were badly-done even at the time, I don't approve of all the crap that got put into Mos Eisley as the speeder drives through it.

I was trepidatious, but I've been around a while. There's been trepidation in fandom every time something new is done with Trek, be it TMP, TNG, whatever. In general, Paramount has done a very good job of remaining true to the original.

(Maybe too true, as the 2009 film may suggest.)

So I reserved judgement, knowing that given skill of the people involved, at worst the end result would be visually entertaining.

Fortunately, any fears I had in that regard were groundless. The new effects are, in almost every case, an incredibly loving, faithful attempt to keep the look of the original effects. They succeed massively, in my opinion.

It's difficult to describe: I've been admiring Matt Jeffries' designs (at least those released publicly) since I first read The Making Of Star Trek in the early 1970s. His design style has always fascinated me.

Now, unlike Dennis, I have precisely zero talent in the graphic arts. Possibly less than zero. My daughter's the graphic artist in the family, so I have just some conception of how bad my skills are.

All I can do is look at Jeffries' drawings, compare them to others I've seen, and get this distinct sense of style that was Jeffries. It's in everything he drew, from ship sketches to set designs. You can even see it when he drew up blueprints or technical schematics.

It just feels Jeffries.

The Remastered effects also feel Jeffries. It's hard to put my finger on why, because they're all far more incredibly detailed than Jeffries could possibly have imagined. In his day, if he'd had the money to produce even a fraction of what he drew for Star Trek, they'd've been models made of pine. He could never in a million years dreamed of the level of detail necessary to successfully pull off HD effects.

But the sequences still feel Jeffries. I can't put my finger on it, but they feel Jeffries.

Some of it, too, comes down to recreating a special effect so that it looks remarkably similar yet more detailed. The cloud creature in "Obsession" is a perfect case. The creature looks like a cloud in space, the same as it did originally -- only now it's very detailed, somewhat more supple around the edges. But it's still a cloud, it's still looks like how the effects designers might have done the same cloud with today's effects.

It's quite remarkable, in my opionion.

There are a few places where, by nature of how the industry has changed in 45 years, it was necessary to make some choices. What do space explosions look like? The originals look really, really crude today. Do we show all those ships that only ever showed up as a splotch of light on the viewscreen? If so, what do they look like?

What about the establishing shots of the Enterprise in orbit? Those got re-used pretty heavily and they didn't always match what you saw from the planet's surface.

I think that in general, they made all the right choices. Yes, replace the planetary shots with more varied scenes. Yes, make them match the planet's surface a little more. Yes, update the space explosions and make the splotches of light into spacecraft.

But don't insert space battles where they didn't exist. Don't show the explosion in all the glory possible in modern CGI. Don't insert things that weren't originally there.

Yes, replace a couple of matte paintings. The originals were utterly fantastic. Period. Beautiful works of art, under any circumstances. The original plates deserve to be in museums.

They were so beautiful that Star Trek re-used them a couple of times. The dramatic impact is reduced the second time around, and it's appropriate to create new ones.

There's no doubt in my mind that if the artists of 1966 had access to the techniques of today, every planet would have had a different impressive establishing matte painting.

The new designs are entirely faithful to the original look of the show. As I say, they just feel right.

There is only one -- and I repeat one -- episode where they let themselves a little off the leash. And it was the right thing to do:

"The Doomsday Machine." It's legitimately the original series only real space battle, at least as we think of it today. Two ships, one little more than a dead hulk against an implacable foe a thousand times their relative size. If J.J Abrams did it, it could easily be a two hour movie of epic scope.

That it was attempted at all in 1967 was amazing. That it worked so well for so many years is a testament to the underlying story.

So they let themselves go just a little. They didn't Abrams-ize it, they knew that would be totally out of context for this material. But the battle is now a lot more visually specific. Where before there were stock shots of the Enterprise firing phasers, then cut to the phasers hitting the planet-killer; now the Enterprise makes a pass over the top of the planet-killer, firing as she goes.

No, it's not the original effect. There's no doubt in my mind, however, that had the original artists had access to modern techniques, they'd produce the kind of specificity we see in Remastered. They didn't want to use stock footage, they had to because of the restraints they were under.

Some of it comes down to very specific design choices, as well. When phasers strike something, for example, the effect is consistent with the look of the original. Typically there's an actinic bright light at the center of the effect. Surrounding it as a fluid lighting effect, sometimes with shadow changes to make it appear more natural in context. They did not, however, add any of the flashy bells and whistles possible with modern methods. They just took the original effect and tried to make it look more realistic by modern standards.

As regards some of the coloring changes inherent in the HD restoration, I can't speak to that. I think in general they seem to have hit it on the mark: everything seems incredibly crisp and incredibly clean. Star Trek never looked this good, not even when NBC broadcast it.

Maybe the colors are overcorrected in places, I don't know. But it sure looks great.

Overall, fantastic work. My only real qualms are with some specific artistic decisions in specific episodes -- but they're the sort of qualms a person always has. My vision may not match up with somebody else's, and that's ok.

The overall work is fantastic, however, and well worth repeated watching. And frame-advancing ... :devil:

Dakota Smith

Edit: I realize that "The Ultimate Computer" is also a space battle, but it doesn't lend itself visually to space battle sequences. The story isn't about how someone gets defeated in space, but how to stop the M-5 before it kills everyone in sight.

The battle is almost incidental -- and again, the choices made in Remastered were appropriate to the context.
 
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I wish there was a more detailed account of the remastering work done for the show, like in a book or a longer documentary. I find it fascinating reading or watching how they did what they did and the decisions they took.

I for one enjoyed TOS-R (I even bough a frickin' HD-DVD player to get it). I don't understand people who complain about it. Why don't they just pretend it never happened and keep watching the DVDs. I see no logical reason in wasting time complaining. (pun intended)

Whilst I'm watching the new effects, I try to bare in mind that the effects aren't supposed to be photorealistic. They are effects, just as the original ones were. Okay, they aren't plastic ships, their digital, but both have their pros and cons and it's great that we have top quality DVDs and BD's of both versions.

One of the things that did disappoint me was the lack of laser bolts in one of my favourite episodes, "A Taste of Armageddon". Spock firing at the disentegration chamber could have looked spectacular. I'm sure they didn't add an effect at the time because the angle the director chose of spock would have been too difficult to animate. Just try and draw over the image yourself to create a realistic effect and you can see what I mean. I'm sure they genius' at CBD-D could have acheived this, but I guess it was a time crunch thing. Or was it?

Mister Okuda: can you shed some light please on the stock footage shot of the sky in "The Apple" and why it is a different colour please? This is one of those things I would find a book on the remastering could be interesting about.
 
I grew up on the original Trek in re-runs during the 70s and had been waiting for updated special effects for Star Trek since the late 80s. Star Trek remastered is a dream come true. When I heard they were doing this I almost couldn't believe it! Yes, I wish they could have done more but overall I am very happy with the remastered set.
 
Oh yeah, the remastered HD versions are so superior. There were so many problems with the originals... I couldn't stand the rather stiff movement of the ships during combat. And in a few scenes, the graphics didn't match (e.g. the Enterprise was firing, yet, there were alien torpedoes about to hit the ship shown instead).

There is one thing, though... in a number of places, the updates of the Enterprise look like CGI. There's some "physical" property missing. But overall, you can overlook that for all the benefits you get in return. A+ on the rework. :techman:
 
I was a little kid, but I think it was Laugh In. Maybe Laugh In took Trek's old time slot. I could be remembering the specific show wrong though. After all, it was more than 40 years ago and I was only 5 years old. Wasn't Laugh In a CBS show?
 
I love TOS-R. The new effects are amazing. :techman:

True, there are certain areas where IMHO they didn't go far enough (such as fixing the James R. Kirk thing and the Constellation's registry number), but those are minor in the extreme.
 
Still loving the new remastering! I enjoy watching paired up episodes...ie: Journey to Babel with Enterprise's "Babel" trilogy; Tribbles with DS9'sTrials and Tribble-ations; Where No Man HGB with Where No One HGB...tons of fun!

RAMA
 
I was a little kid, but I think it was Laugh In. Maybe Laugh In took Trek's old time slot. I could be remembering the specific show wrong though. After all, it was more than 40 years ago and I was only 5 years old. Wasn't Laugh In a CBS show?
Nope. NBC. The plan for the third season was to have Laugh-In move back thirty minutes on Monday night to make room for Star Trek but the producers refused resulting in ST's being dumped into the later Friday slot and GR's stepping aside for all intents and purposes from the day-to-day production.
 
I wish there was a more detailed account of the remastering work done for the show, like in a book or a longer documentary. I find it fascinating reading or watching how they did what they did and the decisions they took.

I for one enjoyed TOS-R (I even bough a frickin' HD-DVD player to get it). I don't understand people who complain about it. Why don't they just pretend it never happened and keep watching the DVDs. I see no logical reason in wasting time complaining. (pun intended)

Whilst I'm watching the new effects, I try to bare in mind that the effects aren't supposed to be photorealistic. They are effects, just as the original ones were. Okay, they aren't plastic ships, their digital, but both have their pros and cons and it's great that we have top quality DVDs and BD's of both versions.

One of the things that did disappoint me was the lack of laser bolts in one of my favourite episodes, "A Taste of Armageddon". Spock firing at the disentegration chamber could have looked spectacular. I'm sure they didn't add an effect at the time because the angle the director chose of spock would have been too difficult to animate. Just try and draw over the image yourself to create a realistic effect and you can see what I mean. I'm sure they genius' at CBD-D could have acheived this, but I guess it was a time crunch thing. Or was it?

Mister Okuda: can you shed some light please on the stock footage shot of the sky in "The Apple" and why it is a different colour please? This is one of those things I would find a book on the remastering could be interesting about.

I think they DODN'T add 'laser' effects more because the one time they did (and they were still working on the remasters when this RM version episode aired) in The Naked Time (they added a visible beam to mr. Scott phaswering the bulkhead); they caught HELL from a lot of the fanbase. So I'm certain that colored their approach for later episodes they were still working on.
 
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