I want that cat on the crew by the end of season 1!
Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x01/02 - "Lost and Found"
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Yep, another in the long line of bald Lurians. Spotted twice: First as a prisoner interrogated by Zero (under duress), then later amongst the Outer Rim prisoners working the treadwheel.
The Caitian, Medusan, Lurian, and Tellarite all point to some sort of Alpha/Beta presence in this Delta region, but the distances involved are still astronomical enough that there ought to be some sort of good explanation. Another mystery in a great mystery show, it seems. I hope they don't go too hog wild with these.
The Diviner talked of the Federation, but the sneak peek scene (from next week's episode, apparently) heavily implies that these guys don't know about the Federation (even the Tellarite?).
I wonder if it's plausible that Tellarites are a much more ancient, expansive race than we've been led to believe, with presence (ancient colonies?) in the Delta Quadrant as well that long predate the Federation. The presence of all four (and probably Brikar) could just indicate a level of cultural approachment into the area (via Slipstream or whatever) that has angered the Diviner and his cronies.
Lots of setup. I don't think that I got enough to grasp the character of the series beyond the pace of the action sequences and the basic conflicts. It does look like Pixar or a better version of Star War Rebels. Withholding judgement for now.
I enjoyed it. It's visually gorgeous, and it seemed pretty much in line with Clone Wars when it comes to striking a balance between made for kids but enjoyable for adults. Murf made me smile way more than he should have considering I'm a grown man.
I'll definitely be coming back for more.
I'll definitely be coming back for more.
Wasn't bad at all. Protostar is a sweet ship.. mind you the nacelles are just 5% too JJVerse-ish for me... but totally in line with Starfleet esthetic . AND lots of pre-established races. Seems strange that the Diviner was looking for the Protostar for "all these years" my curiosity on the story line is piqued.. I will be tuning in for sure! 
I thought it was a good episode. Honestly probably the best pilot episode of Kurtzman Trek. 8/10.
The purpose of a pilot episode after all is to introduce the viewers to the characters and the setting. This did that in spades, while Discovery and Picard waited until much further into the season to introduce us to everyone. I got an idea about the basic characterization of all of the main characters, Gwyn in particular impressed me as a somewhat deeper, more complicated character than the rest of them, with her conflict between loyalty to her father and her basic inclination for goodness.
I love the animation style, which is somewhat stylized without being actively distracting. There was good unobtrusive use of music. The action scenes were well directed, easy to follow, and not so overly long as to be boring. The focus on dark themes, including slavery, torture, and (implied) murder, was also a bit heavier than I expected - and well appreciated.
The one downfall of the episode is it became obvious in the back half the show is going to treat its antagonists like the typical kiddie show. From little examples like the drones who can't shoot, to bigger ones like the mysterious failure of the cyborg to defeat Dal R'El in combat, I worry this will fall into the typical kids show trope of bad guys who are - no matter how menacing they seem - basically bumbling idiots who cannot outsmart a bunch of children. But that was a relatively small complaint.
The purpose of a pilot episode after all is to introduce the viewers to the characters and the setting. This did that in spades, while Discovery and Picard waited until much further into the season to introduce us to everyone. I got an idea about the basic characterization of all of the main characters, Gwyn in particular impressed me as a somewhat deeper, more complicated character than the rest of them, with her conflict between loyalty to her father and her basic inclination for goodness.
I love the animation style, which is somewhat stylized without being actively distracting. There was good unobtrusive use of music. The action scenes were well directed, easy to follow, and not so overly long as to be boring. The focus on dark themes, including slavery, torture, and (implied) murder, was also a bit heavier than I expected - and well appreciated.
The one downfall of the episode is it became obvious in the back half the show is going to treat its antagonists like the typical kiddie show. From little examples like the drones who can't shoot, to bigger ones like the mysterious failure of the cyborg to defeat Dal R'El in combat, I worry this will fall into the typical kids show trope of bad guys who are - no matter how menacing they seem - basically bumbling idiots who cannot outsmart a bunch of children. But that was a relatively small complaint.
Feels new and fresh in a way Trek hasn't felt in a long, longggggggg time. Bold, ambitious, and visually stunning. The shot of the ship breaching that waterfall was gorgeous.
Ended up giving this one an 8. The pace was a little frantic at times, but that's just the consequence of having a bunch of story to tell and a whole cast of characters to introduce in 45 minutes. Excited for more.
Ended up giving this one an 8. The pace was a little frantic at times, but that's just the consequence of having a bunch of story to tell and a whole cast of characters to introduce in 45 minutes. Excited for more.
Very difficult to rate this since it's the first of a two-parter but on the whole it was charming. Of the two animated series announced a couple of years ago, I was looking forward to Prodigy more than LD as the premise seemed more Trek-like (not that I haven't loved LD).
As far as first episodes go, "Lost & Found" has established the premise, the characters and the primary setting as any series needs to to get it off the ground. Kind of reminded me of "Broken Bow" in that respect where everyone had a character moment to introduce them to the viewer. The music and theme are beautiful. I'm not entirely sure what to make of the overall animation style, but the level of detail that has gone into it is impressive (e.g. Gwyn's eyelashes). Dialogue I guess is what is to be expected of a kids' show (do the youth of today still say "fess up"?).
The characters mostly were really enjoyable, except for Dal who is possibly the most irritating de facto lead in any Trek series. I've never found wisecrack characters to be particularly enjoyable whatever the target demographic of a series is. Presumably he's set up as someone who can't take anything seriously so that when he inevitably gets his dramatic and serious moments, they'll carry more weight and be passed off as character development.
I knew exactly what the hook for part 2 would be but I still let out a giddy squeal when it happened.
As far as first episodes go, "Lost & Found" has established the premise, the characters and the primary setting as any series needs to to get it off the ground. Kind of reminded me of "Broken Bow" in that respect where everyone had a character moment to introduce them to the viewer. The music and theme are beautiful. I'm not entirely sure what to make of the overall animation style, but the level of detail that has gone into it is impressive (e.g. Gwyn's eyelashes). Dialogue I guess is what is to be expected of a kids' show (do the youth of today still say "fess up"?).
The characters mostly were really enjoyable, except for Dal who is possibly the most irritating de facto lead in any Trek series. I've never found wisecrack characters to be particularly enjoyable whatever the target demographic of a series is. Presumably he's set up as someone who can't take anything seriously so that when he inevitably gets his dramatic and serious moments, they'll carry more weight and be passed off as character development.
I knew exactly what the hook for part 2 would be but I still let out a giddy squeal when it happened.
I am so intrigued by the question of what age children this is supposedly for. I have never seen anyone speak to that in any of the press. The dialogue felt young for a show that also inducted a terrorized kitten into a life of torture & slavery.
I was overall satisfied with this pilot. When Prodigy was first announced, I thought it was a great idea to have a kids show, but I also assumed it would be the first Star Trek I did not actually watch myself. But this has enough going on and is so stunning visually I imagine I'll be happy watching the whole thing.
The only real problem area for me was Dal. The character was annoying, and it was the sole weak vocal performance. Trek has never before misfired in the casting of a lead, every #1 actor to date has just been utterly exceptional -- and a good thing too, as a miscast lead is not something that can be overcome. It'll always ruin the show, no matter how perfectly everything else might be working.
But if Dal ends up more "ensemble member" and less "lead", it could be fine. The actor could also find his grove post-pilot. Reserving judgment for now.
Speaking of performance -- Jason Mantzoukas was particularly fantastic as Pog. More please!
I was overall satisfied with this pilot. When Prodigy was first announced, I thought it was a great idea to have a kids show, but I also assumed it would be the first Star Trek I did not actually watch myself. But this has enough going on and is so stunning visually I imagine I'll be happy watching the whole thing.
The only real problem area for me was Dal. The character was annoying, and it was the sole weak vocal performance. Trek has never before misfired in the casting of a lead, every #1 actor to date has just been utterly exceptional -- and a good thing too, as a miscast lead is not something that can be overcome. It'll always ruin the show, no matter how perfectly everything else might be working.
But if Dal ends up more "ensemble member" and less "lead", it could be fine. The actor could also find his grove post-pilot. Reserving judgment for now.
Speaking of performance -- Jason Mantzoukas was particularly fantastic as Pog. More please!
I thought it was good.
Not the greatest Star Trek experience I've had, but it was decent. I have tons of questions. Mainly where exactly in the Delta Quadrant is this at and why are there so many Alpha/Beta species present? I'll keep watching for sure.
Not the greatest Star Trek experience I've had, but it was decent. I have tons of questions. Mainly where exactly in the Delta Quadrant is this at and why are there so many Alpha/Beta species present? I'll keep watching for sure.
I knew exactly what the hook for part 2 would be but I still let out a giddy squeal when it happened.
When I watched it online, it was called "Lost & Found Part 1 & 2." Maybe they will split it up for broadcast, but this seems to be a complete episode.
Obviously the extended Janeway scene will wait until the beginning of next week's episode.
After posting my thoughts a few minutes ago, I walked back into the TV room and was surprised to see my chair was suddenly way closer to the TV than usual. It took me a second to realize I was so drawn in by the Prodigy visuals I was unconsciously edging closer to the TV the whole time!
That's worth an extra point, makes me wish I could erase the 7 I already gave this and up it to an 8!
That's worth an extra point, makes me wish I could erase the 7 I already gave this and up it to an 8!
Oh maybe. I've not paid attention to the normal episode running times but let's just call it the hook for the next episode
Eh, I dunno if I'd agree. Scott Bakula - while a fine actor - was a bit of a miscast as Jonathan Archer, insofar as Bakula is a lovable nice guy, and Archer was written as being a stupid, mean-spirited jerk (and later as Batman).
I'd also say SMG was a miscast for Discovery. She's fine, but she's never quite at lead actor levels for me, which is why I really wish Discovery was more of a DS9-style ensemble show.
I think it was important for the pilot to be told from the frame of reference of a single character, and he was the logical choice. The only scenes we see where Dal isn't present are when Gwyn is around, and her POV is needed in order to have a glimpse into the antagonists of the series as more than cardboard cutouts.
I am intrigued at what Gwyn's father's plans for the ship really are. I'm guessing ultimately we'll find out he's not a mustache-twirling villain - that he's doing the wrong things for the "right" reasons.
Okay peeps, for those of us living in "Rest of the World", what's the overall plot?
The Diviner is looking for the Protostar, and then the kids (chased by Gwyn, whom they capture) find it and escape?
Is any hint given why Jankom is a Tellarite but looks like a Talaxian? Perhaps the species are related? Or Jankom is a cultural Tellarite (like the Arkenites on the Alrond colony are culturally Andorian in the Rise of the Federation novels)?
Or is it purely a real world design choice with no bearing in-universe?
The Diviner is looking for the Protostar, and then the kids (chased by Gwyn, whom they capture) find it and escape?
Is any hint given why Jankom is a Tellarite but looks like a Talaxian? Perhaps the species are related? Or Jankom is a cultural Tellarite (like the Arkenites on the Alrond colony are culturally Andorian in the Rise of the Federation novels)?
Or is it purely a real world design choice with no bearing in-universe?
Was anyone clear on what gender Rok-Tahk was supposed to be?
You'll get no argument from me that the writing of Archer was terrible, but I think that almost makes Bakula even better casting. That's exactly what you need when you have an asshole character that's going to be presented as a heroic lead anyway -- an actor who's so authentically a good, appealing guy that he can counterbalance the jerkiness of what's on the page.
Troi was always my favorite Trek example of this. Marina Sirtis could not be more opposite from Troi and that's the only reason that character, dull as dirt on the page, sparks to life as she does.
I also wish for Disco to be more DS9-style and spread the wealth a little. I always think of Disco as the most terribly written TV show that still manages to kind of work anyway, and it's all that cast.
You'll get no argument from me that the writing of Archer was terrible, but I think that almost makes Bakula even better casting. That's exactly what you need when you have an asshole character that's going to be presented as a heroic lead anyway -- an actor who's so authentically a good, appealing guy that he can counterbalance the jerkiness of what's on the page.
Troi was always my favorite Trek example of this. Marina Sirtis could not be more opposite from Troi and that's the only reason that character, dull as dirt on the page, sparks to life as she does.
I also wish for Disco to be more DS9-style and spread the wealth a little. I always think of Disco as the most terribly written TV show that still manages to kind of work anyway, and it's all that cast.
Yep. A lovable rogue/idealistic kid, a Princess, a big intimidating alien, and a mysterious psychic wizard join together to fight an evil Emperor with his intimidating jet black robot henchman.
It's the most Star Trek plot of all!
He's a Tellarite. He's just stylized because it's a cartoon.
The only issue I have with how Jankom is portrayed is that he's so much shorter than the remainder of the cast. Tellarites are not under four feet, which is what seems to be suggested.
Of course, despite having a deep voice, it's possible he's actually meant to be a child, not a teenager like Gwyn and Dal. Maybe Tellarites have deep voices from the beginning, and they only have a growth spurt in adolescence where they shoot up two feet.
Of course, despite having a deep voice, it's possible he's actually meant to be a child, not a teenager like Gwyn and Dal. Maybe Tellarites have deep voices from the beginning, and they only have a growth spurt in adolescence where they shoot up two feet.