Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

[Hythlodeus]

Pretty much...I didn't even know it was being made or coming out until like..a month before it released

because that was around the time they started their marketing campaign. ridiculously late. I don't think that was ever done before or after. I really can't blame anyone except whoever was in charge of the marketing for the disappointing box office results. I have friends, life long Trek fans, who a month after the movie came out, they didn't even know it existed.
That was just awful

 

[Qonundrum]

HERESY!!!

Not really, PIC's creators said PIC is not a sequel to TNG...

https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/12/29/star-trek-picard-next-generation-not-a-sequel/



That, or it's just their wording to say "this won't have the same feel of TNG" (which is something of a given) since some characters are referring to established events, thus making it a sequel.

 

[ITDUDE]

because that was around the time they started their marketing campain. ridiculously late. I don't think that was ever done before or after. I really can't blame anyone except whoever was in charge of the marketing for the disappointing box office results. I have friends, life long Trek fans, who a month after the movie came out, they didn't even know it existed.
That was just awful

For all their faults, JJ movies did revitalize Star Trek and we’re seeing the payoffs right now

 

[Racefuel]

Not really, PIC's creators said PIC is not a sequel to TNG...

https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/12/29/star-trek-picard-next-generation-not-a-sequel/



That, or it's just their wording to say "this won't have the same feel of TNG" (which is something of a given) since some characters are referring to established events, thus making it a sequel.

They're right!

Generations was the sequel to TNG

 

[Armus]

And we've seen how Trekkies love to change history. One of the best things I ever saw on this forum was when someone dug up old TrekBBS posts from 2002 where people were eviscerating Enterprise with just as much vitriol toward Berman/Braga as they were Kurtzman and Discovery. Now the Berman/Braga hate is all forgiven (or forgotten) and I've even seen some goes as far as to want Berman to come back.

There are times when I think I'm being majorly punked.

I joined TrekBBS around that time and Berman Trek was really on its last legs. Back then there was a lot of criticism for Berman and Braga, and a lot more rivalry between TNG and DS9 too. I thought the writing on ENT was uninspired and I didn't think Scott Bakula was a convincing Captain. Someone on here referred to Archer as "Kirk's childhood zero". TheGodThing said he should have been the ship's punching bag instead of its Captain.

Now that the man is gone and that era is over fans can look back with nostalgia and forget how uninspired Trek was back around 2002. (Notwithstanding both Nemesis and ENT have their fans.)

Berman had a good run but his time was up well over 20 years ago.

 

[Lord Garth]

Ol' James Dixon still maintains his website as a shrine to himself and his true power.

I wouldn't be surprised if Discovery gave him a stroke.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I could've sworn that new Maddox was John Torturro.

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

I could've sworn that new Maddox was John Torturro.

"37 month olds, Dude."

 

[The Old Mixer]

Ironic considering you more or less have the attitude of "fuck anyone who likes Picard and Discovery" and how you seem to shit on people on this forum who enjoy "Fake Trek" as you would call it.

If you want to be respected, you need to show respect.

You could set a better example in that regard. This is borderline flaming.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Hello.
I can't be more dissappointed with this new series. I'm 25, i grew up with Star Trek since my parents showed me some VHSs of The Original Series when i was 2. Since then i have loved this incredible world, from The Cage to the last season of Star Trek Enterprise.

The Federation, space exploration idea, the showing of a future in which humans leave in peace, respecting all forms of Life, aspiring to be better persons and know the universe we are surrounded by, surpassing racism, arrogance, hate, war... has always inspired me, i still think that Will happen in the future.

The epic adventure, wether were moral based episodes or spac battles, unforgettable friendships like Kirk-Spock , Bashir-O'Brien or Archer-T'pol are amazing, all is gone in this new "Star Trek".

Since Enterprise ended, the new Star Trek is not real. I didnt like JJ Abrahams movies , i didnt like Disco and i dont like Picard. Picard is one of my favourite characters ever and i was hoping Mr. Stewart would never join a show like this.

Gore violence, the Federation putting self interests above saving an entire race, 24th Century totally opposite to what It was in TNG era, pathetic dialogue, Romulans that speak and look like humans, , just but the ears...characters speaking like teenagers. There is no space exploration, no moral dilema, no feeling, no soul.

I dont know how i could stand first 4 episodes, but the (SPOILER ALERT) Icheb scene in the fifth is the end of this hopeless try.

I see a lot of people that seem to like this show, i respect all opinions, but please, how people that cried with Spock's death, when the Enterprise appeared 10 years later in TMP, when Kirk said:
"Second Star to the right" and the Enterprise A headed to the Star for its last asventure can enjoy this. I dont know that the hell is happening with people, with a lot of Star Trek fans...

I dont know what more to say, i just hope Star Trek one day will make the difference again.

Star Trek 2009 is not Star Trek.
Star Trek Into Darkness is not Star Trek
Star Trek Beyond is not Star Trek
Star Trek Discovery is not Star Trek
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

This is just my personal opinion, i dont want to start any discussion or ofend anyone.

Honey, I liked this routine a whooooooole lot more when @Stewey did it 20 years before

Also, if you didn't want to start a conversation, why post this on a message board?

 

[Anna Yolei]

I've got nothing new to say. Other than this: Picard is behind a pay wall. I'd never pay for something I didn't like.

So hate-watching now makes even less sense than it did in the '80s-'00s.

Exactly. Hell, back when Enterprise was on the bubble, we were begging for something like this so that the show would be able to sidestep most of the studio mandated like the ones UPN forced on the show (is, fanservice, the Temporal Cold War to keep the insertion into other parts of Trek as an option). This last episode was able to run an additional nine minutes to fill the story, something that isn't possible for a network selling ads.

Not all Trek appeals to all fans, but I can't believe anyone who lived through the Berman era can say with a straight face that either series on CBS is that much worse than anything in the 80s or 90s. And especially comparing first seasons? No contest there.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Incidentally, I've never heard much hate of Voyager -- at least for the earlier part of the series. I didn't have internet then and I was about 9 when Voyager began. I used to always see hate regarding the show toward the end of it as fans would blur the quality of it together with the start of Enterprise.

I think we're about the same age

I got into Trek with Enterprise and when I found this place, the Voyager bashing was in full swing. People were especially critical of Robert Beltran for being this franchise's John Boyega and taking the piss at every opportunity. Knowing what I know of Rick Berman's pettiness, he was right and should say it

Anyway, I think both series suffered for airing so close to one another. I think no one who'd sat through Voyager was gonna give ENT a fair shake and new ENT fans got poisoned out the gate about Voyager. Both shows seem to have built up their respective reps over the past decade and with some distance....and of course, new blood that wasn't around for The Discourse(tm).

 

[Amasov]

 

[AlanC9]

Honey, I liked this routine a whooooooole lot more when @Stewey did it 20 years before

Also, if you didn't want to start a conversation, why post this on a message board?

I'd forgotten Stewey. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Is Stewey still around? If not I hope he doesn’t come back. I don’t think I can handle those long multi-paragraphs rants again.

 

[serabine]

If the last fans polls and most of them are putting TWOK and FC as the best movies and Inner Light and City on the Edge of Forever as best episode im glad that things are not so bad as this forum thread could make me think.

... so two movies with pretty dark storylines, a lot of action, and a horrible torture scene with worms in one and Borg related body horror in the other, vs two episodes who are relatively introspective, feature pretty much no action (and one off screen death in one and the off screen death of a planet full of people in the other), one which is profoundly melancholy and one which is dark and shocking in the main characters final decision.

And apparently Star Trek fans like both. It's almost like we have the capacity to like things in degrees, or with nuance. And that we don't mind the darker things in our Star Trek.

 

[KennyB]

Is Stewey still around? If not I hope he doesn’t come back. I don’t think I can handle those long multi-paragraphs rants again.

Stewey and his type is what made me take a 10 year break from TBBS...........

 

[cooleddie74]

I didn't know you were gone for that long. Which is all that much more bizarre considering I almost never take a break from this tire fire.

 

[Blip]

People were especially critical of Robert Beltran for being this franchise's John Boyega and taking the piss at every opportunity.

Sorry but I have to take exception to this:

Disney LFL relegated the notably talented Boyega from being one of the sequel trilogy "big three" with awesome potential - not only for character progression and backstory, but also to potentially being Force sensitive - down to "token slapstick comedy black janitor". Furthermore, they downplayed his involvement in a vain attempt to better appeal to the China market. He has every right to throw shade at those incompetent, racist white assholes.

Beltran, on the other hand... I do have sympathy for some of the dumbass storylines he was handed, but frankly he wishes he had a tenth of Boyega's talent. Why else do you think he stayed on for seven years instead of moving on to get "better roles"?

 

[The Old Mixer]

https://www.trekbbs.com/forums/star-wars.77/