Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

[Campe]

Just catching up. I posted this in another thread. Definitely think it applies here:

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: In my opinion, there is no definitive Star Trek. At present, there are 782 Star Trek adventures in the TV and film space, not to mention hundreds of books, comic books, video games and other ancillary materials. It is impossible for everyone to agree on the definition of what makes Star Trek Star Trek. Whether its the adventure, the tech, the story, whatever, Star Trek is different things to different people. It has redefined itself so often. So to suggest TOS, TNG or Disco are the definitive Trek just isn't possible. One can suggest that a series is definitive for them. But we'll never all agree on that.

 

[Crazyewok]

Gene Rodenberry's vision.

Not another
gEnEs ViSiOn

 

[BillJ]

For those that completely disagree with the poster, what would a show with "Star Trek" in the title have to do to get you to admit it isn't very good relative to say, TNG or DS9?

Three words... Star Trek: Discovery.

 

[Gonzo]

Now, now...everyone's entitled to poor taste; saying they're quitting but continuing to hate watch it; and coming on here to tell us about it.

That should be the title of the new thread.

Its a bit long I know.

 

[Gonzo]

Hello.
I can't be more dissappointed with this new series. I'm 25, i grew up with Star Trek since my parents showed me some VHSs of The Original Series when i was 2. Since then i have loved this incredible world, from The Cage to the last season of Star Trek Enterprise.

The Federation, space exploration idea, the showing of a future in which humans leave in peace, respecting all forms of Life, aspiring to be better persons and know the universe we are surrounded by, surpassing racism, arrogance, hate, war... has always inspired me, i still think that Will happen in the future.

The epic adventure, wether were moral based episodes or spac battles, unforgettable friendships like Kirk-Spock , Bashir-O'Brien or Archer-T'pol are amazing, all is gone in this new "Star Trek".

Since Enterprise ended, the new Star Trek is not real. I didnt like JJ Abrahams movies , i didnt like Disco and i dont like Picard. Picard is one of my favourite characters ever and i was hoping Mr. Stewart would never join a show like this.

Gore violence, the Federation putting self interests above saving an entire race, 24th Century totally opposite to what It was in TNG era, pathetic dialogue, Romulans that speak and look like humans, , just but the ears...characters speaking like teenagers. There is no space exploration, no moral dilema, no feeling, no soul.

I dont know how i could stand first 4 episodes, but the (SPOILER ALERT) Icheb scene in the fifth is the end of this hopeless try.

I see a lot of people that seem to like this show, i respect all opinions, but please, how people that cried with Spock's death, when the Enterprise appeared 10 years later in TMP, when Kirk said:
"Second Star to the right" and the Enterprise A headed to the Star for its last asventure can enjoy this. I dont know that the hell is happening with people, with a lot of Star Trek fans...

I dont know what more to say, i just hope Star Trek one day will make the difference again.

Star Trek 2009 is not Star Trek.
Star Trek Into Darkness is not Star Trek
Star Trek Beyond is not Star Trek
Star Trek Discovery is not Star Trek
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

This is just my personal opinion, i dont want to start any discussion or ofend anyone.

If that is truly how it makes you feel then you should just walk away if it upsets you that much.

Or perhaps wait until the end of the season and binge it all at once, if the season ends on a high note watching it all the way through could make it tolerable for you.

If not then just stay away and don't watch it, unlike some members I don't mean that in a sarcastic or childish way.

 

[Yminale]

Three words... Star Trek: Discovery.

Enterprise is worse than Discovery. Discovery is slightly better than Voyager. I don't think anything will be as good as DS9

 

[StarMan]

Star Trek 2009 is not Star Trek.
Star Trek Into Darkness is not Star Trek
Star Trek Beyond is not Star Trek
Star Trek Discovery is not Star Trek
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

Pft. You're a lot more generous than me. Trek's been on a downwards slide since they replaced Jeffrey Hunter with that toupee-wearing Canadian schmuck.

 

[Terok Nor]

Enterprise is worse than Discovery. Discovery is slightly better than Voyager. I don't think anything will be as good as DS9

Discovery is a fantastic looking dumpster fire. Nothing in Trek is worse than it. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

 

[Yminale]

We are way past the point of a unified cannon and a unified fanbase. Star Trek can't and shouldn't please everybody. Conversely, not liking current Star Trek doesn't mean it isn't good.

 

[Yminale]

ENTERPRISE is a fantastic looking dumpster fire. Nothing in Trek is worse than it. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

Fixed your comment

 

[Gonzo]

Discovery is a fantastic looking dumpster fire. Nothing in Trek is worse than it. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

I just think Discovery would have befitted from a first season of mainly stand alone episodes, to really get to know the crew so we would actually care, then at the end of S1 it could have switched into saving the Federation mode with a cliffhanger.

The outbreak of war with the Klingons would have been ideal for that, the MU and Shroom drive could have been left for S3/S4, they tried to do everything at once which would have been difficult enough in a 20 episode season never mind a 10.

All the other shows had that first season to establish the characters and set the scene and they may have a bit a bit boring for at times but they did serve a valuable purpose for later on, Discovery's relatively short 10 episode seasons made it even more of a problem.

At least with Picard they are focusing down on the character driven story details which helps the show a lot, all we need now is for the story to actually go somewhere, for the big secret to actually be worth all the buildup and to see some new/existing ships (the Romulan BoP was a good start).

The gore doesn't bother me as it was done to show us why Seven is the way she is.
The slang doesn't bother me as it was well delivered by Laris character.
I don't blame the Federation for looking to itself for a change, especially after a draining war with the Dominion.
It also doesn't surprise me that it was ultimately politics that ended the Romulan Rescue not the attack on Mars, it makes it more believable.

Picard's idea and belief of what the Federation/Starfleet is has been tested to destruction, all we are waiting for now is Q and the circle will be complete, we may have to wait for the very last episodes of the whole series for that though.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Fixed your comment

ENT was 'fantastic looking'?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Not as long as they're all made by the same management. This thread is full of 'Picard AND Discovery suck'. Add another show to the franchise, they'll just add that show to their list of complaints. It'll take a few years at least before the 'this isn't Star Trek' factor finally starts to rub off, just as it always has in the past.

But then they'll probably take it to the new show's forum. Unless the admins decide to leave it in Future of Trek, in which case I'm screwed.

That should be the title of the new thread.

Its a bit long I know.

I was thinking...

Fuck this Picard garbage

...but the admins do frown upon general profanity directly in the thread titles.

 

[Terok Nor]

Fixed your comment

Enterprise is not fantastic looking. Looks like a bunch of mechanics hard at work.

 

[Gov Kodos]

But then they'll probably take it to the new show's forum. Unless the admins decide to leave it in Future of Trek, in which case I'm screwed.

Here's an early preview. I leave it to others to spot the players.

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[Gonzo]

But then they'll probably take it to the new show's forum. Unless the admins decide to leave it in Future of Trek, in which case I'm screwed.


I was thinking...

...but the admins do frown upon general profanity directly in the thread titles.

Why not just call it

Picard: Cheeky Fecker

or

Star Trek: Cheeky Fecker

 

[urbandefault]

Not as long as they're all made by the same management. This thread is full of 'Picard AND Discovery suck'. Add another show to the franchise, they'll just add that show to their list of complaints. It'll take a few years at least before the 'this isn't Star Trek' factor finally starts to rub off, just as it always has in the past.

I hear Rick Berman isn't busy these days.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Star Trek: Cheeky Fecker

Laris spin-off?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Laris spin-off?

Don't tease!

 

[Gov Kodos]

Laris spin-off?

Make it something like Miami Vice. Laris and Zhaban could easily be the new Crocket and Tubbs.