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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

It still bugs me that Worf revealed that Section 31 stopped being the Federation’s secret wetworks division and became an open part of Starfleet Intelligence. That means that the “good guys” have no problem working with a division that specializes in murder and genocide. How can Starfleet and the Federation still claim to be ethical and moral?
 
It still bugs me that Worf revealed that Section 31 stopped being the Federation’s secret wetworks division and became an open part of Starfleet Intelligence. That means that the “good guys” have no problem working with a division that specializes in murder and genocide. How can Starfleet and the Federation still claim to be ethical and moral?

That ship has sailed:

Captain Benjamin Sisko said:
"I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all... I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again, I would. Garak was right about one thing, a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So, I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it."
 
It can still work if the one-two punch of the Dominion War followed by the Mars incident led the Federation down a darker, more militaristic path that included openly acknowledging Section 31 and allowing it to grow in both size and influence, and then maybe the aftermath of PIC season 3 helps break that malaise and leads to a more hopeful 25th century.
 
Section 31's strength as an unknown was that they were able to do things in service of the Federation that could not be done by Starfleet because they were too icky for nice people to do.

So what exactly is the point of Section 31 if they are a visible arm of Starfleet Intelligence?
 
Everyone is stuck behind their screens. I’ve come all the way from bloody England, and you can’t come out from behind your scenes to freakin’ talk to me? So yeah, it really changed the whole atmosphere on set. Very, very different. No one talks. Everyone’s looking at their screens.
:rolleyes:

hey screenrant, you think maybe she said screens, not scenes?
 
I've always said that I'd love to hear the tea spilled on what it was like shooting this show. Glad that Sirtis is kinda confirming my suspicions here that things weren't as nice and cozy as everyone pretended. ;)
 
Rios is a rebel.

The show was rated TV-MA. It's not as if it's being marketed to kids.
I'm assuming you didn't read the article which mentioned the worrying trend of glamorizing cigarettes among people, even movie stars, all of whom were adults and no mention of marketing towards kids (in fact one line of the article even points out these people then claim "Don't tell the kids" as if that absolves everything). Last I checked adults have lungs that are just as susceptible to smoking as kids' lungs.
 
I'm assuming you didn't read the article which mentioned the worrying trend of glamorizing cigarettes among people, even movie stars, all of whom were adults and no mention of marketing towards kids (in fact one line of the article even points out these people then claim "Don't tell the kids" as if that absolves everything). Last I checked adults have lungs that are just as susceptible to smoking as kids' lungs.
Meh. People will do unhealthy things to themselves. They always have and always will. I see nothing wrong with some characters having that "edge" to them. We're imperfect beings.
 
I smoked socially for about six months in my early 20s. (To be fair, I bought one pack and barely touched it and typically bummed a cigarette from a coworker after work at a bar.) I regret it very much, particularly having to tell my kids, “You shouldn’t smoke,” with their response being “But you did, daddy.” That is a harder hill to climb than saying, “I never smoked and you shouldn’t either. Ignore what that famous person is doing.”
 
The world is now based almost entirely on image. We have "influencers" like, say Francesca Tighinean, touting "expertise" in psychology with only a bachelor's degree. Actual credentials and morals have lost their value. People who don't drink, smoke, or do drugs and have good degrees and good jobs but don't have the looks or image are labeled as uncool in, say, the dating world and lose out to people who do smoke and drink because they have looks or image.

In light of all this, considering that tv/film is a leading proponent of image, the glamorization of smoking in said shows is entirely concerning, period.
 
The world is now based almost entirely on image. We have "influencers" like, say Francesca Tighinean, touting "expertise" in psychology with only a bachelor's degree. Actual credentials and morals have lost their value. People who don't drink, smoke, or do drugs and have good degrees and good jobs but don't have the looks or image are labeled as uncool in, say, the dating world and lose out to people who do smoke and drink because they have looks or image.

In light of all this, considering that tv/film is a leading proponent of image, the glamorization of smoking in said shows is entirely concerning, period.

Education and prevention starts at home.

Source: I’m a parent.

Image has always meant something. But nothing is more important than a role model. Being a good role model or providing your kids a good role model is far better than allowing your kids to have free rein of the world. Watching things together and having discussions with your kids is a far more impactful thing. I’m not blind to suggest that celebrity doesn’t have power but not recognizing the power of good parenting, setting limits and being consistent is diminishing good parenting.

It’s hard, particularly in this day with media everywhere and shortened attention spans, but it is important.
 
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