Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Lord Garth]

I finally pieced it together. Working backwards if PIC Season 3 is supposed to be TNG's Star Trek VI...

PIC Season 3 = Star Trek VI (that's how they've been promoting it all along, and we've got Amanda Plummer)

PIC Season 2 = Star Trek IV (they go back to Present Day)

Generations & PIC Season 1 = Star Trek III
(GEN: Picard's family members die, Klingons attack, and the Enterprise is destroyed)
(PIC Season 1: the search for Data's daughter, we see Data's "Katra", Picard is resurrected, and Clancy is the Admiral who won't help Picard, so he basically says, "The word is no. I am therefore going anyway.")

First Contact & Nemesis = Star Trek II
(FC: Picard wants revenge, Moby Dick references)
(NEM: Data dies, time marches on)

"Q Who" & "The Best of Both Worlds" = "Space Seed" (The prequels to FC and TWOK, respectively)

I left out TMP and TFF since TWOK-TVH & TUC are really the "core" of the TOS Movies. And I left out Insurrection since it's really more like a TNG episode in movie form.

Although maybe "The Best of Both Worlds" is kind of like TMP. Ilia was "assimilated" by V'Ger, just like Picard was assimilated by the Borg. Shelby and Riker complete with each other, just like Decker and Kirk. And the Enterprise has to save Earth in both cases. Throw in "Encounter at Farpoint" in the sense that Riker and Troi reunite for the first time since they broke up, similar to Decker and Ilia seeing each other in TMP for the first time since their breakup.

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

No. The modern streaming world has cut back a LOT on character development in favor of a few characters. Discovery is basically the Burnham and Saru show

It's "The Hero's Journey" to conform with big, dumb movies and make subscribers think they are getting something "cinematic." What made a show like Andor great is it proceeds deliberately and with much detail to chronicle how someone could become a revolutionary, while also depicting peripheral characters like Imperial fanboy dweeb who don't factor centrally to the plot, so to develop theme by way of nuanced psychological profile. Oops, wrong franchise.
Terry Trek is trying to strike a balance, drawing from Trek Movies while delivering rich character work, including with supporting cast like Stashy.

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

Discovery is basically the Burnham and Saru show and maybe Stamets and Tilly. With it being canceled next year, we'll never really know Nilsson, Bryce, Detmer, etc. Enterprise was the last of the many episode seasons that allowed us to get to know the characters.

Whoah, cool it with the *checks notes* Gen Rhys erasure. He's a solid 7 and knows how to use a transporter.

 

[The Wormhole]

we'll never really know Nilsson, Bryce, Detmer, etc.

They're not main characters, we don't have to.

Enterprise was the last of the many episode seasons that allowed us to get to know the characters.

Aside from Archer, Trip and T'Pol Enterprise's cast was just as neglected.

 

[SJGardner]

Ah yes, I still remember the meaty story arc given to Enterprise's helmsman, uhm... what was his name, I got it right at the tip of my tongue, uhm. Yeah.

 

[The Wormhole]

Ah yes, I still remember the meaty story arc given to Enterprise's helmsman, uhm... what was his name, I got it right at the tip of my tongue, uhm. Yeah.

Travesty Badweather

 

[fireproof78]

Ah yes, I still remember the meaty story arc given to Enterprise's helmsman, uhm... what was his name, I got it right at the tip of my tongue, uhm. Yeah.

Hey! All one of that characters fan club could tell you all about them!

Trek Movies while delivering rich character work, including with supporting cast like Stashy.

Who sounds like an inappropriate character in the Star Trek world.

 

[Set Harth]

Whoah, cool it with the *checks notes* Gen Rhys erasure. He's a solid 7 and knows how to use a transporter.

Metal of honor? Nice.

 

[Nerys Myk]

we'll never really know Nilsson, Bryce, Detmer, etc.

They weren’t main characters. They weren’t Hoshi, Reed or even Mayweather. Being made for syndication or network TV wouldn’t change that. Neither would more seasons or episodes per season. It’s like complaining that TNG’s Ensign Gates didn’t get more development.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Nilsson, Bryce, and Detmer? Really? They're the Discovery equivalent of Cutler from ENT, Rager from TNG, or Riley from TOS. The only difference is that they get more to do than them. DSC isn't a show about the senior staff, it's about the captain and her inner circle and their individual or interconnected stories. They're not going to pay for no name extras to fill that many seats all the time when they can just cast regular recurring characters that don't require elaborate backgrounds and adventures because the show isn't about them. They have had PLENTY to do. Someone just needs to be there to fire phasers and open hailing frequencies and go to black alert. The show is about Michael and the people closest to her and what goes on in their lives within the framing of Star Trek. Sometimes we get to learn things about the bridge crew through that window; when they are present to enrich a story about one of the main characters. I'm absolutely fine not having a shuttlecrash episode with Detmer and Bryce learning how to get along. What I need to know is how Saru and T'Rina are doing.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like Bryce a lot but let's not mince words here: he's background flavor. DSC for all its faults is more like TOS than some would like to give it credit for. It's focused on several main characters and the rest are up to the whims of the writers on any given week.

 

[fireproof78]

I like Bryce, and I like Rhys, and I like Detmer. None of them are the focus. And that it is used as a strike against Discovery shows the lack of awareness of how TOS was actually written, and not what we learned after the fact due to books, convention appearances, and the like.

 

[SJGardner]

I think it's much more simple. For all that people complain about how "Star Trek has always been about the bridge crew" and "other shows always fleshed out their secondary cast," I find it rather telling that expressions of a wish to learn more about Bryce, Rhys or Detmer always seem follow criticism of the actual main cast. It's almost as if they didn't want to give everybody their equal opportunity to shine but more like they just hate the main cast so much that they would rather have the show focus on those characters that they don't have come to passionately hate yet. Every scene spent with Rhys is one scene less where they have to suffer the existence of Burnham or Tilly.

 

[cooleddie74]

Did I love it when Owo got a lot to do in "New Eden"? Yes. She showed that she can be a fun character who can contribute to the overall plot besides man the navigator's station. That being said Owo isn't going to become the focus of the series. She's Owo. She's good. She's fun. She can kick ass in a late 32nd century fight ring. But she's not a lead character.

 

[DaveyNY]

Metal of honor? Nice.

That when they whack ya upside the head with a lead pipe for getting yourself caught in the middle of Burnham's war.

 

[The Rock]

Season 3 of Picard just feels so RIGHT. Seasons 1 and 2 were good but they didn't feel like they were firing on all cylinders. But this current season? It feels as though everything about it works. There are no convoluted plot points, no dull moments, no boring characters. Nothing. Nada. Zip. It reminds me a lot of when TNG season 3 came on and it felt like the show had finally lived up to its potential. Too bad there won't be any more seasons of Picard after this! But I'm glad we got this show at all because after TNG and its movies ended I never thought we'd ever see the character of Picard or the rest of our TNG heroes again in live action.

 

[fireproof78]

Right on, brother...

...

...I'll show myself out.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Season 3 of Picard just feels so RIGHT.

How dare you change the subject to Picard!

 

[Omegaphallic]

They're not main characters, we don't have to.

Aside from Archer, Trip and T'Pol Enterprise's cast was just as neglected.

We don't have to would be far more convincing if the Canadian bridge crew wasn't in every freaking episode, its starting feel very weird. Characters like Nog and Garak and Weyoun and other side characters from DS9 got more fleshed out without being in nearly everu freaking episode. It starts to feel weird, like they are featured to prominately, frequently, and in important ship rolls to be background characters or hell even side characters, but are main cast either. Its only natural folks are like, we see them every episide who the **** are these people beyond their jobs on the bridge.

 

[fireproof78]

Characters like Nog and Garak and Weyoun and other side characters from DS9 got more fleshed out without being in nearly everu freaking episode.

Different show; different priorities. Closer to TOS than DS9.

Its only natural folks are like, we see them every episide who the **** are these people beyond their jobs on the bridge.

Yes, it's natural.
There's also no obligation to the writers to fulfill that question.