Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Longinus]

Lorca was an exception though. He was considered odd, unusual, and atypical captain, yet because of his boldness many considered him to be a bad-ass captain. That is before he took 'Discovery' to cross the Mirror-verse and once there he turned out to be just your classic mustache-twirling villain, which completely ruined his character development.

If Kurtzman & Co learns anything from this and creates another surprise villain character in 'Picard,' hopefully they won't be revealing them the same way they were revealing Lorca. Better make them complex multi-dimensional villain like Dukat (at least before DS9 final season) rather than just another cartoon villain.

I kinda hope that they're doing kinda the opposite with Oh than they did with Lorca. Make her look like she is an obvious moustache twirling cartoon villain and later reveal that she is not, and has been bullshitting the Zhash Vash (or whatever the Romulan infiltrators are) to find out their plans.

 

[picardjean-luc]

I kinda hope that they're doing kinda the opposite with Oh than they did with Lorca. Make her look like she is an obvious moustache twirling cartoon villain and later reveal that she is not, and has been bullshitting the Zhash Vash (or whatever the Romulan infiltrators are) to find out their plans.

Let's hope that'll be the case. I would have a better respect for the show-runners if they manage to deceive viewers by showing us an obvious villain character that turns out to be fake, while the real one is something none of us expect all along...

 

[SJGardner]

Lorca was an exception though. He was considered odd, unusual, and atypical captain, yet because of his boldness many considered him to be a bad-ass captain. That is before he took 'Discovery' to cross the Mirror-verse and once there he turned out to be just your classic mustache-twirling villain, which completely ruined his character development.

If Kurtzman & Co learned anything from this and created another surprise villain character in 'Picard,' hopefully they won't be revealing him/her the same way they revealed Lorca. Whether it's Maddox, Narek, Jurati, or someone else, it's better make them as complex multi-dimensional villain like Dukat (at least before DS9 final season) rather than just another cartoon villain.

Jurati seems to be heading towards a Manchurian Candidate-style villainy trigger for me (that's probably why Oh mind-melds with her in the promos), but that presupposes that Oh is actually what she seems to be, e.g. villainous. I'm really hoping for a Heel-Face Turn for Narek though, as he seemed likable enough in the first two episodes (or at least seemed to genuinely like Soji beyond his honey-trap mission), but I'm not so sure about his arc now that he's been portrayed in a much more sinister light in the third one. Still, it's within the realm of possibility as of now that he'll get a change of heart and cuts his ties to his people to save the galaxy.

Of course even Oh and Rizzo could turn out to be compelling villains if they are consistently portrayed as genuinely believing in their cause as opposed to simple mustache-twirling.

 

[Dukhat]

So do you think Oh is related to Empress Georgiou?? (which BTW is still stuck 800 years in the future with 'Discovery' - although Michelle Yeoh's Section 31 series has now been greenlighted to proceed)

Honestly, no I don’t. I honestly think Oh was wearing sunglasses just for some silly effect.

 

[cooleddie74]

Any character wearing sunglasses or growing a goatee is considered 'eeevil' in the Trek universe.

Barclay wore sunglasses in VOY.

You know, on the other hand, you may have a point. Never mind.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

And what if a character has both sunglasses and a goatee? Do they cancel each other out like two negatives or is it a compound effect translating into a level of evilness that would give the Terran Empire a run for their money?

One is Tal-Shiar level of badness. 2 is Zhat Vash level.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I keep thinking, since the second episode, that with a rogue Commodore with officers under her command, all under the nose of an Admiral (after how many years of this happening through TOS, TNG, etc.) I feel like saying something to the Admiral, like Guy in Galaxy Quest:

"Seriously, did you even watch the show?!?!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

And what if a character has both sunglasses and a goatee? Do they cancel each other out like two negatives or is it a compound effect translating into a level of evilness that would give the Terran Empire a run for their money?

No, that means they are Beatnik.

 

[Alan Roi]

Any character wearing sunglasses or growing a goatee is considered 'eeevil' in the Trek universe.

But everyone also likes you better once you grow a goatee, see: Spock, Sisko. The Star Trek Universe is so confusing.

 

[cooleddie74]

Eric Cartman.

 

[WildManWizard]

IMO Cristóbal Rios is a blatant ripoff of Mackenzie Calhoun
down to resigning from starfleet after seeing his captain killed

 

[The Old Mixer]

IMO Cristóbal Rios is a blatant ripoff of Mackenzie Calhoun
down to resigning from starfleet after seeing his captain killed

Did I ever mention that I'm not a fan of threads with one-line opening posts? Merged.

 

[Nerys Myk]

IMO Cristóbal Rios is a blatant ripoff of Mackenzie Calhoun
down to resigning from starfleet after seeing his captain killed

Will he have lame alien name with apostrophes too?

 

[BillJ]

IMO Cristóbal Rios is a blatant ripoff of Mackenzie Calhoun
down to resigning from starfleet after seeing his captain killed

He's been on screen for possibly six or seven minutes. How about we see where the character is headed before calling him a ripoff?

 

[Kor]

IMO Cristóbal Rios is a blatant ripoff of Mackenzie Calhoun
down to resigning from starfleet after seeing his captain killed

Even if the character ends up resembling Calhoun, that's part of Paramount/CBS/whatever IP. It's a work for hire that belongs to them. A ripoff would be if Rios was a big green ogre with a Scottish accent and ears that look like antennae, wearing a medieval-looking tunic and snacking on grubs and rats.

Kor

 

[Nerys Myk]

Even if the character ends up resembling Calhoun, that's part of Paramount/CBS/whatever IP. It's a work for hire that belongs to them. A ripoff would be if Rios was a big green ogre with a Scottish accent and ears that look like antennae, wearing a medieval-looking tunic and snacking on grubs and rats.

Kor

Orions and Andorians can’t reproduce

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Elnor the Elf Romulan isn't a ripoff per se, just an extremely lazy homage that we can all see through like a bottle of watered down Romulan Ale.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Even Elnor the Elf Romulan isn't a ripoff per se, just an extremely lazy homage that we can all see through like a bottle of watered down Romulan Ale.

I get more of a samurai vibe myself.

 

[thribs]

It is weird that episode 3 has him leaving earth (finally!) but we know from trailers he goes immediately back.

 

[thribs]

I get more of a samurai vibe myself.

He grew up with a planet full of female Romulan monks. Probably messed him up a bit.