Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Racefuel]

The guy who runs the site is unhinged, and has been so for a long time - it just didn't show as much as it does now. I lost my patience with him years ago when he went on a homophobic rant about slash fan fic. (It's fine to dislike it, I get it's not everyone's cup of tea, but to call people who write it all sorts of names is NOT fine.) As far as I know he loathed DSC as well. It really doesn't surprise me to see him/his minions ranting about PIC now also. He used to have a great site going there, with rare pics and whatnot, but he permanently lost me as a "customer" years ago. Anything that doesn't fit into HIS idea of what Star Trek should be is immediately evil, bad, worthless, etc etc.

EAS is as I saw one person describe it..the perfect example of no one hating Star Trek as much as some Trek fans will.

His insistence on more or less refusing to accept Enterprise and Discovery as anything other than an alternate timeline/etc and relentlessly insulting anything and everything about it is exhausting.

The dude needs to accept that it won't be TNG/DS9 forever.

 

[Racefuel]

Yeah, you can see his biases also by seeing how he rated FC with a 10, despite all the retcons and aesthetical changes. Things he constantly rants about and criticizes Discovery and Picard for...

FC retcons BOBW's depiction of Locutus, having the Borg Queen on board, etc, the entire look of the Borg= Ok

Discovery/Enterprise retcons how a console looked= beyond the pale

 

[cooleddie74]

Anyone who thinks ENT happens in a different timeline from TOS and the later series is just not paying attention to the Star Trek universe. I know, I know. "FC changed the timeline." There's no proof of any of that other than an assumption that doesn't hold up once you realize that the NX-01 and its missions existed in the Enterprise-D holodeck computer more than three years before the events of FC ever happened.

Nitpick the look and the aesthetics but don't pull that "alternate timeline" stuff when there's no onscreen evidence to confirm it to be the case.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

EAS is as I saw one person describe it..the perfect example of no one hating Star Trek as much as some Trek fans will.

His insistence on more or less refusing to accept Enterprise and Discovery as anything other than an alternate timeline/etc and relentlessly insulting anything and everything about it is exhausting.

The dude needs to accept that it won't be TNG/DS9 forever.

As far as i can see, he apparently doesn't have so much a problem with ENT but with every iteration of Star Trek not being produced by Gene Roddenberry or Rick Berman...

 

[Racefuel]

As far as i can see, he apparently doesn't have so much a problem with ENT but with every iteration of Star Trek not being produced by Gene Roddenberry or Rick Berman...

He shreds Enterprise frequently. The look, the technology, the ships, etc.

 

[Racefuel]

Anyone who thinks ENT happens in a different timeline from TOS and the later series is just not paying attention to the Star Trek universe. I know, I know. "FC changed the timeline." There's no proof of any of that other than an assumption that doesn't hold up once you realize that the NX-01 and its missions existed in the Enterprise-D holodeck computer more than three years before the events of FC ever happened.

Nitpick the look and the aesthetics but don't pull that "alternate timeline" stuff when there's no onscreen evidence to confirm it to be the case.

Considering that the crew returned to the future from the events of FC and it was as they left it..and Enterprise is from that timeline since they discovered the wreckage of the Borg sphere, etc...yeah, to continue to insist that it's not the same timeline is purely pathetic.

 

[cooleddie74]

"But the NX-01 isn't on the Enterprise-D observation lounge wall!"

And? Neither is the space shuttle. Nor all the aircraft carriers.

The arguments seem plausible at first but unwind fast once you pull on the first thread.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Considering that the crew returned to the future from the events of FC and it was as they left it..and Enterprise is from that timeline since they discovered the wreckage of the Borg sphere, etc...yeah, to continue to insist that it's not the same timeline is purely pathetic.

Actually i'd rather like this theory, as it would let us pretent that "Q, Who?" was the real first contact with the Borg and the Borg were like they were presented in TNG, at least for a time.

But i can see and accept that others may have a different opinion about this issue. Differences are the spice of life

 

[SJGardner]

He shreds Enterprise frequently. The look, the technology, the ships, etc.

I still cringe whenever I think about that article of his where he starts by bragging that his complaints about the Akiraprise design even made it into Entertainment Weekly, and then naturally goes on about how he'd be so much more competent in designing it, even supplying his own, obviously much more superior and canon-friendly alternative designs for it. He's basically nothing more than a caricature of every worst stereotype you could think about Star Trek überfans. I still can't believe EAS was my go-to Trek site in my teens and early 20s.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

The bad thing imo is that he isn't fair with his ratings and surface details and adhering to canon play a bigger role in how he hates things than the story, the acting and the entertainment value. When it should be the other way around.

And that he isn't impartial and apparently rates things different, depending on when and by whom they were produced...

 

[Racefuel]

"But the NX-01 isn't on the Enterprise-D observation lounge wall!"

And? Neither is the space shuttle. Nor all the aircraft carriers.

The arguments seem plausible at first but unwind fast once you pull on the first thread.

I'm trying to remember, and I think I may be remembering incorrectly as I don't have a copy with me..but didn't the TPM remaster include the NX-01 in the "wall of enterprises" montage? Where Decker is showing the Probilla the crew lounge?

 

[cooleddie74]

Nope. And neither did the Enterprise-E observation lounge display cases in NEM, produced after ENT was already on the air!

 

[Racefuel]

Nope. And neither did the Enterprise-E observation lounge display cases in NEM, produced after ENT was already on the air!

I'm surprised it hasn't happened then. Replacing the weird "ring around the stick" version of an "enterprise" with the NX-01.

 

[cooleddie74]

Although leaving the NX-01 off the TMP recreation deck alcove display as well as out of the Enterprise-E observation lounge display cases makes it a lot easier to explain that the designers of both either didn't want to display all the important ships named Enterprise or the TMP alcove display has rotating images and we just didn't see the NX-01 in that scene.

 

[Racefuel]

Although leaving the NX-01 off the TMP recreation deck alcove display as well as out of the Enterprise-E observation lounge display cases makes it a lot easier to explain that the designers of both either didn't want to display all the important ships named Enterprise or the TMP alcove display has rotating images and we just didn't see the NX-01 in that scene.

Plus the Nemesis models were just commercial AMT model kits spray painted lol.

The big TOS E is the 1/535ish AMT Cross Section Enterprise glued together, the kit below is the 1/1400 AMT 1701-D, below that is the 1/1000 AMT Enterprise B, the next row over is the AMT 1/1400 Enterprise C, then the Enterprise E and then back to the 1/535ish Refit/A.

 

[cooleddie74]

The less we have to argue over and the more we can just explain away as the aesthetic choices of Starfleet designers the better.

 

[Racefuel]

Again the 1/535ish AMT TOS E and Refit appear here, the AMT Enterprise B returns as does the 1/1400 Enterprise C, and D, however the E-E is from a concept model for FC and thus why it has no surface detail.

 

[JLBTucker]

The guy who runs the site is unhinged, and has been so for a long time - it just didn't show as much as it does now. I lost my patience with him years ago when he went on a homophobic rant about slash fan fic. (It's fine to dislike it, I get it's not everyone's cup of tea, but to call people who write it all sorts of names is NOT fine.) As far as I know he loathed DSC as well. It really doesn't surprise me to see him/his minions ranting about PIC now also. He used to have a great site going there, with rare pics and whatnot, but he permanently lost me as a "customer" years ago. Anything that doesn't fit into HIS idea of what Star Trek should be is immediately evil, bad, worthless, etc etc.

Oh yes ive read his nonsensical rants about the TOS movies to him if its not Berman its bad

 

[Racefuel]

The less we have to argue over and the more we can just explain away as the aesthetic choices of Starfleet designers the better.

lol right?

Though if for whatever reason there's a scene filmed aboard an Enterprise for Picard, be it the E or F, they can easily put in a properly scaled NX-01 since now there are kits everywhere for it..hell one made an appearance in Into Darkness.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'd do it.

But then I'm a sadist.