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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Because (and this is just a theory of mine) - Picard is rescuing political dissidents and refugees after the leadership after Shinzon cracks down and the Federation does not want to get involved in the internal politics of the Empire. Go forward a couple of years and the Empire is wiped out by Hobus and these Dissidents and refugees are the only significant groups of romulans left.
That's a pretty good theory, maybe there's a power struggle between the Tsl Shiar and the military, and all of the civilians are caught in the middle?

Regardless, I still think what ultimately causes him to leave SF isn't the mission itself or any discipline that arises from undertaking it without orders. I think it's some fateful event that occurs as a result of the mission later on. Remember, the first trailer had a woman (likely Romulan) asking "What did it cost you? Your faith? Your faith in yourself? Your faith in us?" That to me heavily implies some of the refugees do something that makes Picard look bad for sticking his neck out for them. Perhaps those attacking ships we see are a terrorist cell attacking a Federation Outpost.
 
Interesting. I like the uniform. But how'd he get up to four stars so fast?
It could be that unlike the other officer & enlisted ranks, the various admiral ranks are by direct appointment (by either the Admiralty itself or even sometimes the Federation Council). One could go straight from captain to a three- or four-pip admiral to fill a particular post, leapfrogging without a second thought over the junior flag ranks if necessary.
 
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I mentioned it in the Children of Mars thread, but I'm reasonably sure the duty uniforms that align with Picard's admiral uniform timeline-wise are those seen in Lower Decks. They share a lot of the same design elements.

The admiral uniform that aligns with the duty uniforms in the trailer is mostly grey and black with a touch of color around the collar.
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Oh yeah, I know the Admiral Picard uniform doesn't line up with the duty uniforms we saw in the trailer, I was just talking about purely from a design standpoint.
EDIT: I just saw your Children of Mars post, and it does look a lot like the Lower Decks uniforms. I wonder if this means we might actually see the Lower Decks duty uniforms on Picard at some point?
 
It could be that unlike the other officer & enlisted ranks, the various admiral ranks are by direct appointment (by either the Admiralty itself or even sometimes the Federation Council). One could go straight from captain to a three- or four-pip admiral to fill a particular post, leapfrogging without a second thought over the junior flag ranks if necessary.
That's my head canon. Similar to MDs skipping the ensign rank, whatever your qualifications or credentials are before you are appointed admiral will determine your rank level. People who saved Earth a few times can skip the lower pips.
 

To be honest, that uniform looks kinda' stupid. A good thing then that Picard is wearing civilian clothes most of the time!:guffaw:

Indeed though, I guess this uniform is just there for some short flashbacks to the supernova event. But generally, the Starfleet uniforms from PIC (the normal ones from the trailer, this one, the female admiral one) all look pretty weak. Even though all the other non-uniform costumes so far look really good.

I guess that's just a by-product of this show but being focused so much on Starfleet, and more on a personal journey. So these uniforms all look vaguely familiar-yet-different, and they're doing that job well enough.
 
The Romulan helpers has been known for a while--it was the detail that prompted discussion of whether there might be an immigration theme to the show, with Romulan being resettled on worlds across the Federation. Still, it's good to have confirmation.
 
The Romulan helpers has been known for a while--it was the detail that prompted discussion of whether there might be an immigration theme to the show, with Romulan being resettled on worlds across the Federation.

TPTB have said that the show IS going to be "pertinent". :shifty:
 
Best guess, the Picard admiral uniform for the flashbacks is deliberately intended to look clearly *different* to those Starfleet uniforms seen in the timeframe of the main story. It retains the link to the previous uniforms by keeping the "older" version of the combadge, first introduced in Generations.

In-universe, it might well give us another period where Starfleet seems to chop-and-change uniforms way too quickly, but out-of-universe it helps the production team to differentiate the two periods ("now" and "flashback"), for the benefit of the casual viewer. Similarly, it seems that they have also deliberately chosen *not* to use the previous grey-shoulder uniforms; again, this helps to establish the time period for Picard's promotion to flag rank as being separate from his time on the Enterprise.

I think it is very likely that we haven't yet seen the "standard" Starfleet duty uniforms for the flashback period. I suspect they will look much like the Admiral version but without the gold on the yoke and some (if not all) may be one-piece rather than the separate tunic top seen for the flag-rank variant.

As much as I like the idea that we might see a live-action version of the "Lower Decks" uniform, I can't see that happening. I think we might just have to accept that the uniform design for the animated series is deliberately designed to work for animation and to give the general "impression" of the TNG-era uniforms, without necessarily being intended to tie directly to any particular era of live-action trek.
 
Janeway has the same issue with her rank in Nemesis. Wait, what if we are interpreting Admiral ranks wrong. Rear Admiral is 4 pips plus a box, promotion removes a pip, so Ross is a Vice Admiral with 3 pips and a box. Admiral is 2 pips plus box, and Fleet Admiral is one pip in a box. We've never seen the 2 and one pip version, which makes sense because they would be much more rare.

Interesting idea but the on-screen evidence would pretty much contradict that.

When the bars were first introduced in TNG, *every* flag-rank character wore three-pip bars as a rather generic insignia, regardless of how they were described in the script. This included, at times, characters described as "Vice-Admiral," "Admiral," or "Fleet Admiral" -- but they all wore uniforms with three-pip bars.

The first two characters to wear the two-pip bars were the Academy Commandant in The First Duty and Pressman in The Pegasus -- but, IIRC, neither had a specific flag-rank grade grade assigned to them in the dialogue for those episodes. The four-pip bars were conjectured but not actually seen on-screen until much later. I *think* the first appearance was probably Adm. Paris in VOY. **Edit -- see below!!

In truth, the expansion of the insignia to include two-pip bars and four-pip bars alongside the three-pip bars was something of a retcon, mostly just correcting something that had previously been completely overlooked by the costume department. Nevertheless, the seniority was fairly clear: four-pip > three-pip > two-pip > Captain.

The Encyclopaedia may not be fully "canon" but the explanation was always: five-pip bars for Fleet Admiral (albeit never seen on-screen), four-pip bars for full Admiral, three-pip bars for Vice-Admiral, two-pip bars for Rear Admiral and one-pip bars were also never seen on-screen.

Given the nature of Starfleet's organisation and the variable attention it pays to it's military role, I guess it's fair to say that appointments to various flag-rank positions are likely just that: appointed roles rather than substantive ranks on a fixed ladder in the way that we would understand them now.

Picard could well have been the most senior captain in the whole of Starfleet when he moved on from the Enterprise, probably with substantially more command experience than many junior admirals. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that under Starfleet's system this may have been more than enough to make him eligible to move straight into a three-pip appointment and then he was subsequently re-graded for whatever came next with his big mission.

It's a little bit of a work-around but it seems more plausible than trying to reverse the entire rank structure.




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Actually, I'm going to correct myself and say that I think the first on-screen appearance of the four-pip bars was Adm. Will Riker in the future segments of "All Good Things..." but, in my own defence, I was primarily thinking of the "contemporary" main timeline (!).
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It looks odd that the separation lines are not horizontal across the chest. I bet he'll try to do the best Picard maneuvers ever to straighten them out XD
 
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