Yeah, that's out of left field. Tallinn didn't even know what a Q was.
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"I think I'm allowed to say we're likely to see her again. She's too good a character to just disappear completely at the beginning, isn't she? I think so. I'm biased, but I love her. I think she's gorgeous, and everyone needs a Romulan around."
I meant to write why Watcher wanted to kick Guinan or something. Must have mistyped.
I believe this refers to Laris returning in season 2 already. Since seasons 2 and 3 aren’t connected in a very strong way and all (ofc it’s still possible that she will be back in s3 as well, all I know is that she “ditched” the Romulan ears right when they wrapped season 2 and started season 3 the next day - this doesn’t mean she’s not in one of the later s3 episodes). And it makes no sense from a storytelling point of view to just completely drop Laris for the rest of the season. Jean-Luc has to face his feelings for her and THEN there has to be another conversation about how things will proceed now. That’s the only thing that makes sense from a narrative point of view. Of course they could always have her leave and Jean-Luc returns to an empty home at the end of the season and we get their talk in season 3 - but somehow this doesn’t fit. It would leave the most major basis and plot point for the entire season unresolved.
Also here is a new and more detailed interview with Orla Brady: https://trekmovie.com/2022/04/02/in...inging-a-gary-seven-vibe-to-star-trek-picard/
That's how I take it: There will be some sort of conclusion to their feelings at the end of season 2. And ofc she could be around as a character without the pointy ears in s3, but I highly doubt that. We'll see.
The way Orla discusses it all in these interviews I continue to get the feeling that Tallinn and Laris are two distinct characters.
I wrote it wrong I meant what is the feud between Tallinn and Guinan, the boot in face thing
Or she is simply not allowed to say that there is a connection after all. I mean it’s pretty WTF. TWO female characters just to move Jean-Luc’s love life forward (okay Tallinn at least has another job as a character, granted)? Umm. Why not simply let Laris come with him to the past and have someone else play The Watcher? That would accomplish the same thing AND it would make the whole thing with Laris seem a little less random? It would get them closer together because “went through danger together restored timeline together” etc. I don’t understand the narrative choices here anymore. lol
With Laris potentially/not seeming to be in season 3, I’m not sure their narrative goal is to get Jean-Luc and Laris together. I’m not sure it isn’t the goal either.
I’m not convinced either way, but in an episode where we have Spiner and Briones playing different characters than they have previously on this series, I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that Laris and Tallinn are one and the same, and I think the way Orla discussed it reinforced that.
With the casting choice, and the Romulan equipment Tallinn is using, I get the idea, of course, and I’m not by any means discounting it. They could certainly be the same character, I just continue to get the feeling they’re not.
And I’m not suggesting they’re not connected. With Trek’s history of time travel stories, demonstrated in this episode’s casting referred to above, there is a tendency to have actors portray their own relatives. Even if they’re not the same individual, that doesn’t mean they’re not connected.
If they’re intending for Picard to realize his feelings for Laris by encountering her ancestor, if that’s what’s happening, it’s something that’s been done before in time travel stories, and a lot of the choices this season seem to be about referring to established time travel stories and ideas.
I’m not convinced either way, but in an episode where we have Spiner and Briones playing different characters than they have previously on this series, I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that Laris and Tallinn are one and the same, and I think the way Orla discussed it reinforced that.
With the casting choice, and the Romulan equipment Tallinn is using, I get the idea, of course, and I’m not by any means discounting it. They could certainly be the same character, I just continue to get the feeling they’re not.
And I’m not suggesting they’re not connected. With Trek’s history of time travel stories, demonstrated in this episode’s casting referred to above, there is a tendency to have actors portray their own relatives. Even if they’re not the same individual, that doesn’t mean they’re not connected.
If they’re intending for Picard to realize his feelings for Laris by encountering her ancestor, if that’s what’s happening, it’s something that’s been done before in time travel stories, and a lot of the choices this season seem to be about referring to established time travel stories and ideas.
The goal is to make Jean-Luc able to commit to a relationship and to able to “connect one’s life to another person”, as Sir Patrick put it. He also said the love we will see in s2 is “of a different nature and quality” than on TNG. He NEVER said what the response to Jean-Luc being able to commit would be tho. He never said “Picard will be happily ever after”, he simply said he will be ABLE to commit. Being able to commit to a relationship and actually ending up in one are still two different things. (I for one would simply prefer for Laris to be more than just “Picard’s love life plot device”. We had this on TNG way too many times already, female characters being introduced and then serving mostly or often even only as a plot device for male characters. I’m a little “allergic” to it.)
Putting all the in-universe stuff aside, I’d still find it massively confusing if they hired one actress to play two characters who look the same but aren’t connected in at least some way, is all…
Putting all the in-universe stuff aside, I’d still find it massively confusing if they hired one actress to play two characters who look the same but aren’t connected in at least some way, is all…
I’ve not seen anyone suggest that Tallinn and Laris couldn’t be/aren’t connected.
I know. And I also know Brady can only hint at things at best. Patience. Patience.
Last scene of Season 2, Picard and his crew have restored the timeline and all is right in the galaxy. A character played by Jon Jon Briones walks by.
Seven: Excuse me, but I just have to ask you out of curiosity, what is your full name?
Jon Jon Briones character: Do you really just go around asking that from random people you don't know?
The rest of the Picard crew, who witness this exchange, break into laughter TOS episode ending style.
Seven: Excuse me, but I just have to ask you out of curiosity, what is your full name?
Jon Jon Briones character: Do you really just go around asking that from random people you don't know?
The rest of the Picard crew, who witness this exchange, break into laughter TOS episode ending style.
I've got to add this: Smart move placing the "Present" Day in 2024. No need to have to worry about what stage we're at with Covid or the Quarantine (hopefully).
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Putting all the in-universe stuff aside, I’d still find it massively confusing if they hired one actress to play two characters who look the same but aren’t connected in at least some way, is all…
I'd like to think of it as carrying on a Trek tradition - Locarno/Paris, Leslie/Connor/Ryan, Odo/West/Ezral, Miranda Jones/Ann Mulhall, Admiral Cartwright/Joseph Sisko, Number One/Nurse Chapel...
Commodore Wesley/Commander Giotto. St. John Talbot/Gorkon, and many more no doubt.
Dr. Theodore Haskins/Tamar/The Old Man From Yonada.
The novels actually did retcon them into the same person, Ryan Connor Leslie. I guess he alternated between which name he answered to any given week.
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