Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[SolarisOne]

Why would it not matter?

It doesn't. It's none of our business. Persistence is futile.

 

[Lord Garth]

Or he made Chabon go through the hoops precisely because he did and does care about the money? And fame, of course.

Or you're not considering anything anyone else is saying. Let me say this. You may be the one pushing the True Roddenberry Way but your vision of the way the world works is far more cynical and un-Roddenberrian than mine is. All you're looking at is the worst possible interpretation of Patrick Stewart's motivation. You're looking for the worst in Patrick Stewart. I'm looking for the best. And I'm not even really a TNG Fan (I'm more of a TOS Fan, I had to re-familiarize myself with TNG before even going into this), so I think my view is less inherently biased than yours.

 

[AlanC9]

What fantasy? What are you blabbering about? I seriously asked a legitimate question. You have a problem with that?

Oh, don't be silly. Everyone saw you ranting about how this show just had to be about Stewart trying to cash in, rather than this show being the kind of show he wanted to make.

Wouldn't it be just simpler to assume that Stewart doesn't share your tastes and your values?

 

[The Old Mixer]

What are you blabbering about?

Everyone saw you ranting

Let's tone it down a little, guys.

 

[Danja]

Actors are public figures. It's a legitimate question.

They're not being supported by taxpayer dollars.

Their salaries are privileged information.

Hollywood is a cutthroat business that reflects this even with high-earning movie and TV stars. We know things from leaks, but most of what we '"know" are estimates generally not confirmed by actors or publicists unless there's a gross underpayment at play (Scarlett Johansson in The Avengers for example). Stewart is British, not American, so he might be more looser with his figures. He's also an executive producer with heavy creative input, so his salary could very well be very, very low (maybe even non-existent) in exchange for a percentage of the profits and various other perks.

Hollywood is notorious for "creative accounting" (Lucy Lawless and Kevin Sorbo filed lawsuits against Universal over what they perceived to be shady accounting practices. It's one reason Xena ended when it did.)

https://ew.com/article/2003/10/03/xena-and-hercules-sue-back-pay/

 

[Tuskin38]

So the actor who played that Romulan giving the orientation in the Cube in Episode 2 has been in Trek before, though as a background actor. His Picard appearance was his first speaking role in the franchise.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Marti_Matulis#Appearances

 

[Phily B]

I like RLM

But I would appreciate them not being completely dumb by pointing out how fuckign wrong they were that Picard would gamble on people never have watching any Trek for a star. I feel like one of the few Trek fans who really really really enjoy Trek 09.

 

[fireproof78]

I feel like one of the few Trek fans who really really really enjoy Trek 09.

Well, you're not alone on this one. I think Trek 09 is one of the best Trek's out there.

 

[cooleddie74]

Actors are public figures. It's a legitimate question.

Not...really.

 

[Dix]

A clerk on the service phone line would know as much as you and I, but they might be able to connect you to someone with that information, provided you have a legal, fiscal, or perhaps media-related reason for the financial inquiry. It might be best to submit it in writing, although a phone call or email would give them a heads up to prepare the information for your review.

There might be a cultural concern here at play, though. In the US, salaries and payment information is generally kept close to the vest, since we have a history of employers trying to undercut employee pay (hence, they promote the secrecy) on top of a class system (the "American dream") composed of middle-class and others trying to hob-nob with higher earners. Many, many people are embarrassed by their pay, and its bordering on taboo to reveal it.

Hollywood is a cutthroat business that reflects this even with high-earning movie and TV stars. We know things from leaks, but most of what we '"know" are estimates generally not confirmed by actors or publicists unless there's a gross underpayment at play (Scarlett Johansson in The Avengers for example). Stewart is British, not American, so he might be more looser with his figures. He's also an executive producer with heavy creative input, so his salary could very well be very, very low (maybe even non-existent) in exchange for a percentage of the profits and various other perks. I'm sure he expects to earn overall more than Isa Briones or Santiago Cabrera, although maybe they're earning more on the frontend.

OK. Thank you for the info and honest sharing of the information available to you.

I'll check some sources and try to find that out.

Or you're not considering anything anyone else is saying. Let me say this. You may be the one pushing the True Roddenberry Way but your vision of the way the world works is far more cynical and un-Roddenberrian than mine is. All you're looking at is the worst possible interpretation of Patrick Stewart's motivation. You're looking for the worst in Patrick Stewart. I'm looking for the best.

What makes you think that? I merely would like to know how much is he being paid. Is there anything inherently bad about that curiosity? Believe it or not, I occasionally wish to know how much actors are being paid for their particular roles, e.g. in a movie, as many other folks wish to know as well, I'm sure.

And I'm not even really a TNG Fan (I'm more of a TOS Fan, I had to re-familiarize myself with TNG before even going into this), so I think my view is less inherently biased than yours.

Fine.
And, by the way, I really loved what the guys of STC made with their online-series Star Trek Continues. Excellent work, a great quality non-official Trek series, i.e. continuation, in a true spirit of Star Trek (TOS).

Oh, don't be silly. Everyone saw you ranting about how this show just had to be about Stewart trying to cash in...

I was criticizing the series itself, not so much, if at all, Patrick.

...rather than this show being the kind of show he wanted to make.

Of course he wanted it. No matter what "ideals" may have motivated him, one thing is clear, he certainly wouldn't want to do it without a paycheck.

And, the question is.... how big is that paycheck (?)

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Sir Pat Stew is earning 8 billion per episode and splitting it with all of us fans on the TBBS. We're currently in Sir Patrick's money pit swimming around like scrooge mcduck, watching episodes of Picard and laughing at the people whinging about it.

I'm really disappointed that no one has accused me of being a "paid Sir Patrick shill" just yet.

Also, even IF Sir Patrick chose to disclose how much he's making (which, spoiler: he won't, and definitely not because "fans" - aka some angry Youtubers and their minions who have been hating on him for months now - "want to know"), those who are yelling for him to do so wouldn't believe it anyway, they'd take it all apart and make up "facts" about "why he isn't disclosing the REAL truth". In short: It would be yet another excuse for them to trash him because he "ruined Picard" and "tramples Picard's legacy for cash" and "shoves his politics down our throats".

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

OK. Thank you for the info and honest sharing of the information available to you.

I'll check some sources and try to find that out.



What makes you think that? I merely would like to know how much is he being paid. Is there anything inherently bad about that curiosity? Believe it or not, I occasionally wish to know how much actors are being paid for their particular roles, e.g. in a movie, as many other folks wish to know as well, I'm sure.



Fine.
And, by the way, I really loved what the guys of STC made with their online-series Star Trek Continues. Excellent work, a great quality non-official Trek series, i.e. continuation, in a true spirit of Star Trek (TOS).



I was criticizing the series itself, not so much, if at all, Patrick.



Of course he wanted it. No matter what "ideals" may have motivated him, one thing is clear, he certainly wouldn't want to do it without a paycheck.

And, the question is.... how big is that paycheck (?)

I find nothing wrong with Patrick Stewart living long and also prospering. That should be the wish from every fan for him.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I was criticizing the series itself, not so much, if at all, Patrick.

Nah I'm pretty sure you were. This whole 'we have a right to know how much he is making' thing is a very thinly veiled attempt at insinuating that Stewart is doing Picard as a moneygrab.

he certainly wouldn't want to do it without a paycheck.

So he's like the rest of us then? I assume you also work to get a paycheck? Is Stewart supposed to be doing this out of the kindness of his heart?

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Duh. He should be PAYING money for the honour of being in Trek!

 

[Dix]

I find nothing wrong with Patrick Stewart living long and also prospering.

I find nothing wrong with it either. I think he's been a fine actor.

Nah I'm pretty sure you were. This whole 'we have a right to know how much he is making' thing is a very thinly veiled attempt at insinuating that Stewart is doing Picard as a moneygrab.

I'm not insinuating anything. I really do want to know that.

Moneygrab or a juicy paycheck, whatever you may call it, isn't that the same thing? Besides, why would a question like that bother you? Are you by any chance his lawyer or something?

Is Stewart supposed to be doing this out of the kindness of his heart?

No. But someone here seemed to imply like Stewart woke up one morning and, out of a sheer idealism or whatever, felt like playing Picard again.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

So he's like the rest of us then? I assume you also work to get a paycheck? Is Stewart supposed to be doing this out of the kindness of his heart?

Even if he did, these people would stil accuse him of "ruining Picard". The narrative this time would simply be that he's "ruining Picard because he's a mean and senile old man who hates Star Trek". (Okay they're already saying this even now. Sadly.)

I find nothing wrong with Patrick Stewart living long and also prospering. That should be the wish from every fan for him.

This. I'm probably one of Sir Patrick's biggest fans and my biggest wish for him is to be happy and healthy. I've never cared about how much money he's making/having/whatever... because this is none of my business. Being a fan of someone famous doesn't entitle people to be in the know of every detail of that famous person's life.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I find nothing wrong with it either. I think he's been a fine actor.



I'm not insinuating anything. I really do want to know that.

Moneygrab or a juicy paycheck, whatever you may call it, isn't that the same thing? Besides, why would a question like that bother you? Are you by any chance his lawyer or something?



No. But someone here seemed to imply like Stewart woke up one morning and, out of a sheer idealism or whatever, felt like playing Picard again.

That's a vast set of mischaracterization over a topic you have no entitlement to know anything. His paycheck is a private business affair. CBS will tell you that in no short order if you ask them what they are paying him. You are entitled to nothing. He is entitled to his privacy. Enough with the silly public figure excuse, that does not obviate his right to privacy.

This kind of stuff is why actors ask for restraining orders and have agents between them and their fans.

 

[Gonzo]

I think you may be getting mixed up with the terminology @Dix

In simple terms:

Publicly listed - CBS - That kind of information could be available to major shareholders but I doubt it though as there is no reason to do so.

Privately listed - Huawei - Not provided to anyone as the company is wholly private with no public shareholders.

Publicly funded - BBC - Does have to provide salary information due to how they are funded to show how it is being spent.

If Patrick Stewart was working for the BBC then yes the information would be available, he is working for CBS so it is not required.

 

[The Old Mixer]

they have a right to know

Hyperbole.

Public wishes and needs to know.

Hyperbole.

I merely would like to know how much is he being paid.

Reality.

 

[Krandor]

MC actually says this in one of his Instagram responses - that unless a character is appearing they do not give it any thought.

Ah ha. So Geordi and worf are showing up since they were thought about and mentioned . :-)