Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

I'm a big comic book fan too (shocking I know) and I think the thing that drove home how ridiculous death is is last decade, when they killed Wolverine (stupid story to tell to begin with) and left him dead for a whopping 4 years or something. But the thing is, Wolverine wasn't actually dead really... because they nearly instantly replaced him in the story and on the X-Men with the "Old Man Logan" possible alternate future Wolverine who is pretty much Clint Eastwood "Get off my lawn" guy as Wolverine. So they killed the Wolverine we know, to replace him with a wolverine who is exactly the same, just more old-man dickish.

Like what was the fucking point?

There was even a website counting how many days til they brought him back.

Death in fiction, particularly genre fiction like fantasy and sci-fi, is really just cheap and the expression of a lazy writer. In his interviews today I'm gratified that Matalas pretty much denounced why he could never kill the TNG characters.

 

Ah the poker scene. With Picard taking Riker down a few pegs! Yeah, there were stuff in Generations and Nemesis that really...you get the idea.

As with the Enterprise designations, they can't keep replacing them as fast as they can because we know there's an Enterprise-J in the 26th century (as we learn from "Star Trek: Enterprise").

 

While that may be true, it also makes more sense to better use your space with more stations on the side of the walls.

And given how tall some people are, having the Captain's, 1st Officer, 2nd Officers chair be slightly elevated so a persons head doesn't block your view makes the most logical design sense.

 

They will probably resort to Greek alphabet lettering after Z.

 

The Federation disagrees, it doesn't need to be direct control, even just some level of influence is enough.

And we know he was being influenced to a rather significant degree.

 

Given how Season 3 played out, I'm very happy with Terry Matalas at the helm.

I'm fine with him in charge of the Berman-era Trek.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about that, but regardless Star Trek has generally kept itself "vanilla" to things of that nature. It's not the Expanse.

Personally, I think Trek is an aweful lens to examine relationships. It's almost never worked. I'm bi and I've been in relationships with men and women, including LTRs and my stomach turned at the weak-ass material the writers shoveled in front of Discovery's four principle LGBTQ characters. Half it seemed like it was written by someone who has never been in a relationship before of any type. Wasn't a deal breaker with Discovery with me at all (I really like the show now) and it certainly wasn't the actors fault. But writing relationships of any type is hard and lots of writers fail.

 

You said it. He's rectified quite a few of Berman's mistakes!

 

It would've been a special moment if the showrunner pull some magic and introduced a new design for the Enterprise but no worries. CBSALLACCESS + Trek did such a good job with this season of PICARD I'm fine with what was there.

 

I would love if Section 31 take place in like, 2405, and one of the principles is the Secret head of Section 31, Julian Bashir (per some licensed works).

As cool as it would have been to get more cameos, I'd rather treat the remaining DS9 cast differently since, without Avery Brook's involvement (which would almost certainly never happen), a DS9 reunion show would have to be about dramatically different issues than what DS9 was about.

 

Give them time, they'll get it right someday.

Probably best to set it during a time where those characters all passed on. Kind of like Anime's Macross Sagas.

 

Maybe the Transporter Systems were managed by better "Security Minded" folks who don't just upload patches into their Transporter System w/o inspecting said code.

 

I’m joking. I am sure that any other comparisons to Star Wars are also coincidental, too. After all, Snoop Dogg is *not* the Captain of the Enterprise G… though Seven was my second option. Snoop could still show up one day though? He could be an Admiral.

I wonder if they will refit the Enterprise G should there be a new series? Like how they refitted the original Titan in to the Titan A?

Starships could be like Pokémon with many ‘evolutions’…. Who knows what Seven may have modded this ship with by the next time that we see it ‘on screen’. I am sure that it is possible that all of the sharp angles will be gone and it will have a lot more curves and look a bit more ‘25th century’ like rather than 23rd century?

 

In one timeline that might not happen now, for all we know.

That or they just loop back around and start naming them again.

I mean DS9 was about the rugged frontier and actually staying by what normally would be a planet-of-the-week for a prolongued period of time

So maybe a show or Limited Series focused on a single planet with Siddig at the helm? If he's interested, of course. I think a similarly "Mixed" reuinion cast with a smattering of other Voyager actors we didn't get (Garret Wang, Robert Duncan McNeil, Robert Picardo etc) might be good too.

Hell, I'd take a two parter in Star Trek: Legacy. That'd be fun.

 

Is there word of mouth about a Spin-off of PICARD from CBS?

 

A LOT of pages to go through, and I doubt I can catch up.

I LOVED the finale!!!

A few issues, but they are small. I think I can sum up my feelings with one sentence.

It's the best series finale since DS9. Every character had their moments, and their endings on screen, before we get to the poker table. It compares to DS9's in that way, because I had many times where a single man tear was happening. My wife was also having tears, too. (And PICARD is the first series that she started watching as it aired, and watched to the end. It has been a joy to be on that journey with her.)

So many excellent, beautiful scenes... it's impossible to pick a top 3.

I gave this a 10, and I am not ashamed to say a few of the points are because of the nostalgia factor and seeing the crew I grew up with together one last time.

And speaking of the poker scene... that was pure perfection. 14 year old me was crying tears of joy when "All Good Things..." ended on that, and I did it again tonight with the poker scene. It truly brought me back in time 29 years ago... I missed the me of back then, and I'm glad I got to say hello to him one more time.

 

I participated in an episode-by episode historical thread of Star Trek in this forum a while ago that basically took a serious "history + policy" look at Star Trek from 2151 to the 32nd century. It was really cool because quite by accident, Star Trek has assembled a coherent saga of how the Federation role to more or less rule the galaxy by the 30th century.

"Q Who?" and System J-25 remains the inflection point in Trek history. It may be the most pivotal day in Federation history since the signing of Khitomer. Because as Q highlighted, from 2151 until 2365, the Federation had mostly dealt with local space, dealing with the Romulans, the Klingons and then 70 years of quite where the biggest issue was skirmishes with the Cardassians. It was really only in the 2350s and 2360s, as the Federation started to expand and explore beyond Romulan and Klingon space (as opposed to in the opposite direction where no great powers were), did they run into new threats... eventually the Borg and the Dominion.

The 38 years of crisis that began in System J-25 was necessary though. The Federation took down the powers of two quadrants in the ensuing 30 years. It destroyed the Borg, which were slowly spreading like a virus across the galaxy. Much of the Delta Quadrant, which really only had powers confined to a couple of systems because of the Borg's presence, would experience a power vacuum. In the Gamma Quadrant, the Federation alliance solidly beat the Dominion, and by 2401, was probably more capable of beating them again than ever. And to top it off, a Federation ally (Odo) was put into the Dominion's government.

I think what lies ahead in the 25th and 26th century is a resumption of that long peace into an even longer peace where the Federation spreads to the far reaches of the Beta and Alpha Quadrants. It would construct big ships again eventually to this end (the Enterprise-J). By the 27th century, it should reach Dominion space the long way around. And just keeps spreading. Taking down the Borg and the Dominion opened the door to unrestricted spread. The Klingons and Romulans joining in the 25th century (or so) also removes a major issue.

By the 29th and 30th century we know two things: one, the Federaiton ruled most of the galaxy and was starting to explore time. And two, the process of doing so made it a lot of enemies. I like to think the Temporal War, the most destructive war in Federation, history, happened because the Federation's 29th and 30th century enemies realized they couldn't beat Starfleet conventionally. Ship to ship, the old way? They were completely outgunned. So they had to attack the Federation through time and space to try and break their galactic hegemony. The Federation as we know, won the war, and time travel was banned. But it knocked them on their ass and depleted vast resources. It made them vulnerable for the Burn, which finally took it down. That parallels to a degree how the Eastern Roman Empire exhausted itself fighting the Sasanian Empire in Persia. And then the Plague of Justinian and rise of the Caliphate in southern Arabia (at that point, a backwater) broke the Empire's many centuries long control over North Africa and the Levant within about 120 years, pushing the Romans to Asia Minor and South Eastern Europe. So you see, there is (quite accidentally) a historic parallel between how Rome and the Federation spread - basically into a vast vacuum for centuries - before getting hit hard by natural distasters, black swans and unexpected threats.

It would be nice if Discovery could firm up this narrative more and fill in some history, but quite by accident, it's a good, thousand year story of the rise and fall of the Milk Way's first truly pan-galactic great power since the Tkon or the Iconians. And it all started by walking through that door in System J-25. THe next 40, and then then next 700 years of Starfleet history began there.

I hope we're done with the Borg for good. Not because I dislike them (quite the opposite), but because Endgame + this is such a good ending for them. If we see Jurati's Borg again, I hope they look RADICALLY different.

 

They've all signed NDA's. Nothing will come out before it's time.

 

Oh yeah I wasn't being precise. It dwarfs a fusion cube. Something this big is probably the largest starship encountered since the Voth and V'Ger(which is far larger). I can't think of anything else quite so large. It's far larger than the STIV probe or the starjellies from EaFP. It's the size of a small moon.

I wonder if it is made up of the Unicomplex reconfigured. I certainly hope so. That'd be a good AMA question. I hope someone fixes Memory Alpha's entry because it treats this and 'normal" cubes as the same.

 

There is NO WAY Picard and Beverly are together. They tried that on and off over the years and it never lasted. Plus even though Picard was cool about it when facing death there's no way Bev keeping Jack from him is not going to come up again. Next time Beverly was a bit too long at the shops Picard is going to be wondering if she's visiting a secret daughter she never bothered to mention, or if she's in Starfleet Intelligence or if she's candle shopping.

Even though Picard the tv show has been obsessed with everyone revisiting the past I would hope they both had fresh futures without each other as baggage heavy lovers.