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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

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It's more the point on why does Data feel the need to die right then and there? If he had waited a bit longer, he likely would have gotten a new android body with a finite human lifespan and even a human look (so Brent doesn't have to wear the makeup). He would get his wishes of being human (as close as possible anyway) and having a finite life.

I feel like that could have been satisfying in its own way. But I’m willing to go with the notion that Data had already accepted his death saving Picard, and accepted who he was. Pinocchio at peace with being a puppet in the end, because being a puppet was different than being a real boy but valid just the same.
 
Rather lazily done though. They designed one ship and copied it a hundred times. You couldn’t let the designers bring in a few more into it?
Especially since they went overboard with the Discovery season 1 premiere where every Federation and Klingon ship was different... The line up between the Romulans and Starfleet and the line up of Klingon and Starfleet at the Binary stars was oddly similar looking.
 
I guess the other thing that bugged me about all the ships being the same is that it was obviously unrealistic. Why would Starfleet send that many ships that were all the same class? That would never happen in real life. The US Navy does not send 40 Ticonderoga class cruisers and nothing else.

It depends on how the space combat technologies play out, doesn't it? Trafalgar was fought by ships-of-the-line; frigates were present for scouting, but they stayed out of the fighting. Although it's an odd look for the Federation, which has always had multiple classes kicking around before.
 
So, without rewatching second time yet...
No Borg cube action
Starfleet showing up complete disappointment
Generic starship in Starfleet
Sutra defeated so easily
Generic metal arms from Uber synths that played no role in finale
Picard died with 15 min to go, it was so obvious he was going to be resurrected
Data alive! Data dead again! Umm well ok
Riker showing up, as expected
Seven and Raffi :luvlove:? Where did that come from? Did they even talk to each other at all?

I dunno about this episode. I’m withholding my final score for now
 
It's not like we were supposed to be surprised at Picard ending up in the golem, any more than we were supposed to be surprised by Riker showing up. (If they didn't want us to see that coming, they wouldn't have put him in the "previously on" clips.)
 
It's not like we were supposed to be surprised at Picard ending up in the golem, any more than we were supposed to be surprised by Riker showing up. (If they didn't want us to see that coming, they wouldn't have put him in the "previously on" clips.)
Or the credits at the beginning of the episode.
 
The snakelike supersynths from beyond were very Lovecraftian, I thought. The Great Old Ones returning. I didn’t love the design, but I like it better in that context.

Yet another Mass Effect parallel, for anyone still keeping score.
 
I'm still processing most of the episode, but regarding Seven/Raffi: I agree that it wasn't really built up or alluded to in previous episodes, but then, Rios/Jurati hooked up on pretty tenuous grounds as well. In fact, I don't think it would be much of a stretch to say that the reasons two damaged people like Rios and Jurati gravitated to each other (that is, feelings of emotional vulnerability and wanting a physical connection to distract from their respective realities) are the same reasons Seven and Raffi might have drifted together, especially given everything they had just been through, not to mention all their hardships over the years. They definitely share common ground, not least of all the loss of a son. I think what we're seeing at the end of this episode is the beginnings of a relationship borne out of shared circumstances and experiences, and that kind of relationship can develop pretty quickly. The fact that we haven't seen a lot of Seven/Raffi interaction doesn't make much of a difference to me in this respect, because their coming together still makes sense on an emotional level.

Also, bisexuality and sexual fluidity are very much a thing, so Seven and Raffi becoming romantically involved doesn't automatically make either of them lesbians or contradict their past relationships with men.

I've shared Michael Chabon's interview with Variety elsewhere, and I think it is relevant here, too.

In “Stardust City Rag,” there’s an implication that Seven of Nine (Jeri Ryan) and Bjayzl (Necar Zadegan) might have been lovers at one time. Given the history of the LGBTQ characters in your body of work, I wondered why there weren’t any more sort of explicitly queer characters this season?

Well, the way that people’s identity is constructed with sexuality as a component of it, in my experience, it emerges in a much more organic [way], and not like wearing a t-shirt that says, you know, Queer Power — or the equivalent in the 24th century. We get to know these characters the way we get to know real people. It emerges in conversation when it would emerge in conversation. Like their parentage, for example. It’s really important to me who my parents were. I’m sure it was really important to you for shaping your identity. We don’t know anything about Jurati’s parents except that her father read paper books and she used to interrupt him. We don’t know anything about Raffi’s parents. We don’t know that much about Picard’s parents — even if you’ve watched “TNG.” In terms of the show, it just doesn’t come up.

Well, on “Star Trek: Discovery,” it was a very big deal that Lt. Stamets, the character played by Anthony Rapp, is gay. So I think there’s a certain subset of “Trek” fandom that was excited about seeing that perpetuate on “Picard.”

We’re doing it in a different way. We’re doing it in an organic way — what feels organic to me. It emerged in that scene between Bjayzl and Seven. I think it’s pretty explicit, but it’s explicit in a way that feels real. Bjayzl doesn’t say, “We were lovers.” She doesn’t say, “We were a couple,” or anything like that. She says, “We were incredibly close.” It felt, to me, natural. It felt like how somebody would talk about many years later, a relationship that was in the past.

And it will continue to emerge. I think it’s a part of our understanding of Raffi’s character. In Raffi’s scene where she calls into Starfleet to try to get access for them to the Artifact, and calls that old friend of hers, I mean, to me, the implication is there too in their relationship. But she doesn’t ever say, “I’m going to call this woman that I used to go out with,” and she doesn’t say, “Hey, remember me. I used to be your girlfriend.”
I did not see this last bit with captain Emily Bosch. This knowledge does make Raffi's reaction all the more sad.

I would note, having read The Last Best Hope, that Raffi's relationship is shown as being with a man. Nothing in that novel suggests that she might be bisexual to whatever degree.

As for Seven of Nine, we have frankly seen so little of her potential for relationships before now that she could have whatever sexual orientation she wanted. Maybe she was attracted to Chakotay; maybe Chakotay was simply a safe first target.

I do agree it would have been nice to see more between Raffi and Seven before that final shot. I think that was not necessary--trauma-bonding can create couples--but it would have been nice.
 
To everyone who is going off about "why couldn't they use the golem for Data"

It's very very simple....Spiner doesn't want to keep playing Data, even in an aged, adapting role.

Picard dealing with mortality and the unresolved guilt over Data was the primary driving force for the entire show. Both were resolved in the final episode of the season.

I'm positive that the only reason Spiner signed onto this was the assurance that it would be a closed ended story arc for Data.
 
I'm giving this episode a 10/A. But it's not a solid 10. It's probably one of the weakest 10s I gave to all episodes this season ;)
 
I would note, having read The Last Best Hope, that Raffi's relationship is shown as being with a man. Nothing in that novel suggests that she might be bisexual to whatever degree.

Is there any place where that should have come up? I don't think the hair color of people Raffi had relationships with in the past came up either.

(For the record, I've never dated a blonde, but I'm open to the concept.)
 
It was okay but it should have been the Titan. Not some random ship.

He's been in semi-retirement for several years. He wouldn't just kick the Titan's current captain out (he's not TMP Kirk). So he took command of another ship that was available.
 
Narak said the doomsday myth might have existed before his ‘ancestors arrived on Vulcan’. Was that a script error, did they mean Romulus?
 
Narak said the doomsday myth might have existed before his ‘ancestors arrived on Vulcan’. Was that a script error, did they mean Romulus?

It's referring to the fact that Vulcans and Romulans have a common heritage...Vulcans came first, then Romulans split off from the Vulcans.
 
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