Apparently to expose the planet.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"
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Apparently to expose the planet.
Vger23,
Then you will like Michael Chabon's response to this question, "I will finish out this season. Hopefully the writers will change the political agenda next season."
He responds,
"Because of the story format nobody but me can see the string of brief fragments leading to the final bit. I'll try to paraphrase briefly but honestly: as a fan of TNG, you were looking forward to PIC, but have been mostly disappointed, particularly by what you perceive to be as a political agenda being imposed on Star Trek and on the character of Picard, whom you view as having been "neutered". Is ther fair? I can't find an actual question, but there's a ghost question, sullen and aggrieved, peering out, and that question is, Why did you have to go and fuck up my Trek?
"To this question, as it is asked by any fan, of any modern fandom, regardless of political affiliation - and we've all been there, with some franchise, at some point - there can be only one honest answer, and it sucks: It isn't yours. It belongs to a big corporation, and they can do whatever they want with it, including hiring creators who you see as fools. Every time we come against that, it feels shitty. (And with Trek it's worse, because for a while we fans actually did "own" it , back when nobody else wanted it anymore. We kept it alive.)
"All I can tell you is that I hear you, and I can sympathize, but obviously I don't agree with you. If you see regret, remorse, self-doubt, self-examination, recognition of one's limitations and shortcomings as "neutering" unmanly, then you aren't very far along on your journey toward being what I at least would recognize as "the Measure of a Man""
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Then you will like Michael Chabon's response to this question, "I will finish out this season. Hopefully the writers will change the political agenda next season."
He responds,
"Because of the story format nobody but me can see the string of brief fragments leading to the final bit. I'll try to paraphrase briefly but honestly: as a fan of TNG, you were looking forward to PIC, but have been mostly disappointed, particularly by what you perceive to be as a political agenda being imposed on Star Trek and on the character of Picard, whom you view as having been "neutered". Is ther fair? I can't find an actual question, but there's a ghost question, sullen and aggrieved, peering out, and that question is, Why did you have to go and fuck up my Trek?
"To this question, as it is asked by any fan, of any modern fandom, regardless of political affiliation - and we've all been there, with some franchise, at some point - there can be only one honest answer, and it sucks: It isn't yours. It belongs to a big corporation, and they can do whatever they want with it, including hiring creators who you see as fools. Every time we come against that, it feels shitty. (And with Trek it's worse, because for a while we fans actually did "own" it , back when nobody else wanted it anymore. We kept it alive.)
"All I can tell you is that I hear you, and I can sympathize, but obviously I don't agree with you. If you see regret, remorse, self-doubt, self-examination, recognition of one's limitations and shortcomings as "neutering" unmanly, then you aren't very far along on your journey toward being what I at least would recognize as "the Measure of a Man""
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surely he will help save the galaxy from the invasion of genocidal robots
the idea that they want to present to us in Pic is that robots always rebelled against their creators and tried to destroy them
Fun episode.
Can we just call it "A fistful of Datas Part 2"? LOL
Like most two parters the first episode is the set up and the second is the pay off.
Looking forward to next weeks thrilling conclusion.
Same Bat time, same Bat channel....
I loved that some of the synths looked similar to Data, gold skin and eyes, but still being unique individuals. Like family.
I knew we would see Brent again and I'm glad they created yet another Soong for him to play.
So Aggie is just getting a complete pass for killing Maddox?
My assumption is she will sacrifice herself in the big fight to come to redeem herself.
Sutra is a synth but able to perform telepathy? My only nitpick.
Super robots from the past watching over us all this time? A little creepy and not where I was expecting this story to go. Not a bad turn of events but I assumed this would just be a big morality play about individual rights, or sentience, or something.
Can we just call it "A fistful of Datas Part 2"? LOL
Like most two parters the first episode is the set up and the second is the pay off.
Looking forward to next weeks thrilling conclusion.
Same Bat time, same Bat channel....
I loved that some of the synths looked similar to Data, gold skin and eyes, but still being unique individuals. Like family.
I knew we would see Brent again and I'm glad they created yet another Soong for him to play.
So Aggie is just getting a complete pass for killing Maddox?
My assumption is she will sacrifice herself in the big fight to come to redeem herself.
Sutra is a synth but able to perform telepathy? My only nitpick.
Super robots from the past watching over us all this time? A little creepy and not where I was expecting this story to go. Not a bad turn of events but I assumed this would just be a big morality play about individual rights, or sentience, or something.
Remember how it took three episodes just to get off Earth? And then they detoured another ep to introduce a space swordsman who has been given nothing to do (and barely any lines)? I can’t decide if the show has too much story or too little. Seems like Picard could have left Earth with the housekeepers, Raffi and Rios in an ep or two and the show could have been largely unchanged, both in terms of story and themes.
“Picard” has lots of threads I find interesting, but they remain just threads, and I am increasingly doubtful they will pay off this season.
That said, I loved the meditative tone of the early episodes, even if I thought they could have been told more efficiently. I hope we’re not cramming in all this stuff at the end just to set up a Discovery-style action finale. The trailer was really worrying. Please don’t force this show to follow the template, CBS.
“Picard” has lots of threads I find interesting, but they remain just threads, and I am increasingly doubtful they will pay off this season.
That said, I loved the meditative tone of the early episodes, even if I thought they could have been told more efficiently. I hope we’re not cramming in all this stuff at the end just to set up a Discovery-style action finale. The trailer was really worrying. Please don’t force this show to follow the template, CBS.
we will have a great battle against robots
Well, that was... certainly not my favorite episode. I continue to be entertained and I look forward to seeing how things go in the season finale but stuff felt unusually choppy in ways I wouldn’t have imagined possible given the excellent direction and overall editing jobs seen in several earlier episodes. I tend to shy away from conspiracy theories and the like but I can’t help wondering if there were some major behind-the-scenes issues with this one.
Overall I definitely like this show. I think it’s more flawed (in very different ways) than Discovery was last year but more solid than that show’s first season.
Overall I definitely like this show. I think it’s more flawed (in very different ways) than Discovery was last year but more solid than that show’s first season.
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I did not get that impression from what was presented in the episode.
"Life begins. Life begins. The dance of division and replication. Imperfect. Finite. Organic life evolves, yearns for perfection. That yearning leads to synthetic life. But organics view this perfection as a threat. When they realize their creations do not age or become sick...become sick...or die...or die, they will seek to destroy them and in so doing, destroy themselves. Beyond time and space, we stand, an alliance of synthetic life. Synthetic life. Watching you. Waiting for your signal. Summon us, and we will come. Summon us. You will have our protection. Your evolution will be their extinction."
That does not sound to me like synths rebelling against organics. It sounds like organics fearing what they have created and destroying it.
Personally, in all the articles I have read in the real world, the reasons given for building synthetic life never included perfection. It was about sending machines to places where man couldn't go or to make corporations more efficient, maximizing profits. I do not know where this idea of building machines for the purpose of creating the perfect has its origin.
I did not get that impression from what was presented in the episode.
"Life begins. Life begins. The dance of division and replication. Imperfect. Finite. Organic life evolves, yearns for perfection. That yearning leads to synthetic life. But organics view this perfection as a threat. When they realize their creations do not age or become sick...become sick...or die...or die, they will seek to destroy them and in so doing, destroy themselves. Beyond time and space, we stand, an alliance of synthetic life. Synthetic life. Watching you. Waiting for your signal. Summon us, and we will come. Summon us. You will have our protection. Your evolution will be their extinction."
That does not sound to me like synths rebelling against organics. It sounds like organics fearing what they have created and destroying it.
Personally, in all the articles I have read in the real world, the reasons given for building synthetic life never included perfection. It was about sending machines to places where man couldn't go or to make corporations more efficient, maximizing profits. I do not know where this idea of building machines for the purpose of creating the perfect has its origin.
I really want robots to invade the galaxy and start destroying planets !! It would be great to see all the great civilizations in the galaxy unite to stop the robots
For all its faults, I think PIC is a more grown up show than that.
romulans were fine all the time robots are life threatening across the galaxy
I disagee. Or rather, I disagree that only "the plot" is important to this show.
The Romulans and their fate have been a huge part of this show, and the info Chabon gave helps my inner world-building, it provides a background on which the Borg Reclamation Project, the antics of the Tal Shiar and the Zhat Vash make more sense.
So yes, I think this info did belong in the show.
He’ll seemingly sacrifice himself in some bit of Jurati-esque redemption (except more overt and quite possibly better-executed) but he winds up the inheritor of the “golem” and lives as a synth in season two, joining the crew. He’ll steal all of Raffi’s drugs in bitterness, leading to a touching mid-season scene in which she forgives him and he eats three pieces of cake.
Isn't that basically the First Cylon War from Battlestar Galactica but with a Star Trek skin?
It’s also Mass Effect 3!
I find it hilarious that Chabon hasn’t heard of Mass Effect. So much fan discourse this week is about how much the writing appears to be cribbing from those games.
That seems like crappy writing to me, or at least him using the format badly. The individual "fragments" of your television story shouldn't confuse your audience before they've seen the entire thing.
I guess the old adage is true that there are no original ideas anymore.
Especially considering DIS season 3 will be a retelling of Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.
Thankfully, I don’t believe that the current crop of Star Trek writers could possibly wreck Andromeda as much as Tribune Entertainment did.
What a wild, disappointing ride that show was (IMO).
It would be great to see Qo'nos being destroyed or ferenginar
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