Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"
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According to Chabon, there is no empire. The empire fragmented into successor states, with the Romulan Free State being the largest and strongest, because of the support of the Tal Shiar.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18134558401031871/
The fact that I have to read Chabon's Instagram account to get some sense of the world that this series takes place is indicative of how badly the world building has been for the series.
A lot of the questions being raised here have been answered by Chabon in his stories.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18134558401031871/
The fact that I have to read Chabon's Instagram account to get some sense of the world that this series takes place is indicative of how badly the world building has been for the series.
A lot of the questions being raised here have been answered by Chabon in his stories.
I gather those Romulans were told what she is by Oh and the rest. And Sythetic life that "perfect" summons the Big Bad so... she's the destroyer.
it almost makes me wish Seven would go Borg Queen again and just assimilate everyone. Enough of this imperfection crap.
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Yeah they don't need to destroy the Synths all they need to do is stop Sutra.
It was never Dahj or Soji and I think Narek has realised that.
Ultimately it is a self fulfilling prophecy created and propagated by the Commodore herself.
About the colony,
Q: The synths remind me a bit of the space hippies in "The Way to Eden". Was that intentional?
A.: We reach.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18134558401031871/
What I remember about the space hippies was that they were disaffected children who got caught up in a cult of personality led by Dr. Sevrin. Not a great model to base anything on.
I have heard that they had thirteen episodes worth of material and trimmed it down to ten hours and that, by the time, they had got to the seventh episode, they realized that people would be confused so they did reshoots and added material to the episodes to give more clarity to the story and plot.
Q: The synths remind me a bit of the space hippies in "The Way to Eden". Was that intentional?
A.: We reach.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18134558401031871/
What I remember about the space hippies was that they were disaffected children who got caught up in a cult of personality led by Dr. Sevrin. Not a great model to base anything on.
I have heard that they had thirteen episodes worth of material and trimmed it down to ten hours and that, by the time, they had got to the seventh episode, they realized that people would be confused so they did reshoots and added material to the episodes to give more clarity to the story and plot.
Boo! *throws popcorn at screen*
There are a number of references to this story throughout the episode that I totally would have overlooked were it not for @Bad Thoughts pointing them out.
Wouldn’t it be amusing if Seven’s Borg/XBs come in between the organics and the synths as the voice of reason, representing aspects of both sides, the only adult in the room. They may yet still have an important role to play in the coming conflict.
Yup. I feel like they've put a lot of thought on thinking things out, but a lot of that is not making it to the screen.
Something about it all feels short/choppy. Like there wasn't enough time to get where they needed to be and make it feel earned. This episode was shorter than the last few and I think would have really benefited from an extra 5-10 minutes. Episodes 2 and 3 were even shorter and packed withe exposition anyway, so not sure why they couldn't have thrown some of the world building stuff in there. Also, I think I said this after episode 5, but I sometimes feel like this show hasn't used its time wisely.
The whole Maddox thing isn't making sense to me right now and just raises more questions that will never be answered. Why did he leave? When his lab was destroyed why didn't he just go back to the planet instead of going to Free Cloud? Did the Romulans find out about Dahj and Soji, and the fact that there were more synthetics, from that destroyed lab? Why did he send Soji to the cube? Why did he have her (and Dahj's) memories wiped? How did OH find out about the synthetics that Rios' ship encountered in the past? Why did Dahj have a vision of Picard's face? Was she programmed to go to him if she was in trouble?
I would say they didn't use their time wisely. I have seen other series, like "The Witcher" (8 episodes) and "The Umbrella Academy" (10 episodes), where they used their time more wisely.
You forgot "too much like TNG" and "not enough like TNG"
Honestly, it amazes me how "Groundhog Day" exhausting these threads are to read these days. Even in the much more contentious DSC threads, at least there were some different themes/complaints.
These PIC threads are monotonous. I've barely participated.
Not a bad episode. Not a great one. I loved the performances, and I thought the character moments were great. As always, the VFX are fantastic. I like the twist about the Abomination. Jurati confuses the hell out of me. I don't understand why they spent a whole episode introducing Elnor only to have him be almost completely useless and discarded.
Ultimately, I was entertained and enjoyed the ride. That's typically the piece I weigh the most, as opposed to "there weren't enough ships shown" or "Akiva Goldsman's direction was mundane" or other such big needle-movers.
8/10
I think perhaps this is a downside of having a showrunner who is primarily a novelist rather than a screenwriter - it is clear from Chabon's Instagram Q&A sessions that a massive amount of thought and worldbuilding has gone into this show, behind the scenes, and all those intricate details are vividly clear to him, in his head. But where in a novel he would be able to bring every detail to life on the page, television is a much more visual medium that simply doesn't allow for anything like the same level of exposition.
As I understand it, Maddox left Coppelia to place Dahj and Soji undercover on Earth and the Artifact respectively in order to find out the truth behind the synth ban. He didn't return to Coppelia for fear of leading enemies there, perhaps. He hid Dahj and Soji's memories of where they came from so that a) they would believe themselves human and therefore blend in better, and b) so that they couldn't give away the location of their home community (alas, this was a failure). And yes, since Dahj was on Earth she was programmed to trust Picard and go to him if she were in danger, because Maddox remembered how hard he fought to protect Data and was confident he would do the same for Dahj.
None of that info is important to the main plot.
If the story was about what happened to the Romulans, I’d agree, but it isn’t.
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