Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"

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  1. SolarisOne

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  2. Makarov

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  3. Yistaan

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    Picard: Sutra, perhaps you should deactivate your emotion chip for now.

    Soji: I can't do that.

    Picard: Wow, Data really was unique.

    Seriously considering humans' failings are their tendency to have emotion override reason, why aren't the new androids programmed to deactivate/reactivate their emotions chip at will like Data could? And Sutra, an admirer of Vulcan culture, would take advantage of such an ability. Instead she's acting extremely emotionally. Wiping out all organic life as a defense for persecution is an overreaction, to put it mildly.

    Also, why would Picard mention Michael or Discovery at all? He was trying to keep Sarek logical enough for his conference, bringing up emotionally painful memories would just make things worse. What could he do about Discovery? Discovery wasn't due to arrive for another 800 years.

    Why would Picard bring up Discovery or Burnham to Spock? They were in the process of averting an invasion of Vulcan by Romulus and escaping Sela. Picard had to act per his priorities. A better question would be why the Zhat Vash (whose priorities are so anti-synth they will destroy their own homeworld to achieve synth eradication) didn't kill Data while he was captured by Sela on Romulus.

    For all we know Picard did bring up Section 31 and the spore drive to Starfleet Command and he was told they were classified. And Section 31 wasn't exactly a secret to Starfleet in the 23rd century, Pike knew who they were and they had badges and everything. There was obviously a coverup after that which led to Bashir in the 24th century never having heard of them.
     
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  4. Gilora

    Gilora Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Picard also melded with Spock, so the former probably has some knowledge about the Discovery. But, as you say, it wasn't relevant during that time.
     
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  5. Sci

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    Well, I for one am not entirely convinced that Data lacked emotions even pre-chip. I think of his emotional spectrum as being more restrained, but still present -- something more akin to someone who is autistic than someone who truly lacks emotions. He cared about his friends and their welfare; he wished people well; he came to "expect their presence" and miss them if they were absent; etc.

    There's an argument to be made, in point of fact, that true sapience is not possible without emotions.

    It's almost as though she's a complex individual not easily summarized by one or two traits.

    True, but so is trying to eradicate all traces of emotion whatsoever from everyone on your planet because you had a major war. Or refusing to speak to your child for 18 years because he joined Starfleet. Or trying to manipulate the guy your parents set you up with into killing his best friend instead of just telling him you wanna hook up with someone else.

    Let's face it: Vulcans are messy bitches who live for drama. They just pretend they're less emotional than everyone else. ;)

    I'm not saying he should have mentioned Discovery or Michael; I'm saying it creates this weird subtext that I think distracts from the power of the original episode when we watch it with that retcon in mind.

    Good question! But also easily answered: Data escaped before the Zhat Vash could place an agent to destroy him.
     
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    Data did smile at times in Seasons 1 and 2. He had emotions on some level or another. ;)
     
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    Here's an insane theory; what if neither the organics nor the synths got the message of the admonition correct? What if to properly understand it you need a melding of both the organic & synthetic? Maybe only a Borg or an exBorg can properly understand the message? Or what if V'Ger's evolved form shows up to save everyone?
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    This isn't Star Wars.
    I think you are right.
     
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  10. Doc Mugatu

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    Just an idle observation: something is rotten in the state of Denmark. :lol:
     
  11. Arpy

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    I’d actually love this. He was a writer in “All Good Things...” I’m seeing GEO being Murder, She Wrote....IN SPACE! Maybe Geordie is the Agatha Christie or Arthur C. Clarke or Michael Crichton of his day, solving mysteries with an science-y twist (MacGuyver?!), then writing about them (Kolchak?!).
     
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    Let's leave Riker in retirement.
     
  13. Mirror Tuvix

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    Wait a minute... what if Lore is... Kurtzman?

    National Amusements presents Shutterstock: Picard
     
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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    Obviously, all Geordie would be writing is slash fiction starring Data.
     
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    The Tkon proffer passer bys baser interests, hoping that they will not be assholes.

    Is that all the admonition is?

    An asshole test?

    The Zhat Vash have been passing this test for 1000s of years.

    There is no RoboFederation.
     
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  18. MrPointy

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    If Geordi met Seven Of Nine, he'd turn out weirder than Barclay.
     
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    Leah Brahms, upon finding her husband Geordi roleplaying on the holodeck with a recreation of Seven:
    [groans and rolls her eyes] "Not this shit again."
     
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  20. Guy Gardener

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    If he still has the same eyes that he had in first contact, then I don't think that he values beauty in the same way that fully sighted people do.

    Wait, we saw him in Voyager and Picard.

    Do we think his vision got better since the swirly rainbow shit on TNG.
     
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