Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by NCC-73515, Feb 14, 2020.

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  1. Gepard

    Gepard Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Whatever it is, it's going to have to relate to some aspect of her character. There's no way they can come up with a secret so shocking that will we be worth all this build up for the audience, so it'll have to be something we can see being utterly devestating to her specifically.

    Its unfortunate then that she hasn't been characterized much beyond "nerdy weirdo" yet.
     
  2. Yistaan

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    It'll work. He's already prone to outbursts of emotion from irumodic syndrome. Picard may actually set up a Zhat Vash fan club. :rommie:
     
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  3. Alan Roi

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    She's going to confide in a serious loose canon like Picard?
     
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  4. Gonzo

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    That is true but it would also indicate that the truth as they know it is very black and white with no shades of grey in between, yet I am not sure it is because of Narek, he isn't half the zealot his sister is, why not.
     
  5. Alan Roi

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    In that case, scenes showing Star Trek characters on TV in intense agony go back to freaking Mantrap.
     
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  6. Large Gathering of Unmasked People

    Large Gathering of Unmasked People Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    Yeah...it obviously involves synths, so while somebody else might learn this secret and go "Well that's fucked up--somebody needs to do something about that," she'd be the one going "Oh my god, I have to do something about this, whatever it takes."
     
  7. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Hey, he doesn't seem any more unstable than Agnes. :shrug:
     
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  8. ALF

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    Was hoping to see a bit more of FreeCloud than only a nightclub and a health clinic, but it was still awesome world-building for Trek. So happy for Mot that he is still cutting hair.

    Mmm, fresh taspar! https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Taspar_egg

    There's a foot massage scene (TNG: The Price?) and that's still the grossest Trek scene I've ever seen.

    Only watched it once, it seemed like Agnes was having some sort of panic attack which triggered the EMH, twice. It made me wonder if we think if she'd been fitted with a device transmitting audio and video to Starfleet security - or something like Geordi and the Duras Sisters in Generations. The scene at the end with Maddox - I thought she was talking to a third party, rather than to herself. Maybe I saw it wrong, really need to find time to watch it again. She said something about needing to atone for something (else!?). The posts describing the mind-meld scenes are helpful, missed those clues. So maybe she's not mind-controlled, either influenced, surveilled or... something.

    Great point, reminds me of some of those old TNG-era episode plot morality topics.

    The impression I got was that Seven was convinced by others she'd be bringing too many innocents down with her if she took Bjayzl out then and there. Going back later meant she took on the responsibility wholly.
     
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  9. Alan Roi

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    i don't recall Agnes calling Starfleet criminals on intergalactic TV.
     
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  10. Gonzo

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    I am not entirely convinced about the Irumodic Syndrome diagnosis, we know that mental instability can be artificially triggered and even faked.

    Picard may not be ill at all, it would be an excellent way for any conspiracy to debunk anything he says before he has even said it.

    I keep coming back to that dream with Data and the five queens, it may end up being far more than just a dream.

    Did Maddox really succeed in creating Dahj and Soji in so short a time, I never believed the whole 1000 years rubbish but achieving it in a decade or two, that is no time at all, did he have help without realising it.
     
  11. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    Ceti eels do the job in a pinch as well.
     
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  12. JoeZhang

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    *why* are people like Seven's lover so interested in Borg implants? for the tech or for trophies?
     
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  13. Yistaan

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    Politicians and officials do that in the real world on twitter and they still keep their positions. Compared to recent news, Picard's outburst actually seems relatively mild.
    Yes. One word: Lore. We are never told what happened to his mostly intact body.
     
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  14. SJGardner

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    Could this be why Jurati was acting so anxious all the time? Because of how terrified she was by what Oh had shown her during the meld?
    That's what I was thinking about as well. Given how famous Sarek and Picard were, their mind meld was probably common knowledge.
     
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  15. Gonzo

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    It is implied heavily that its all about their monetary value.
     
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  16. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    He had Soong's work to built upon
     
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  17. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    I think we can write off the debate about Agnes never being in space as more lies she told to make her seem naive and vulnerable.
     
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  18. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    exactly, Borg implants better themselves
     
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  19. Gonzo

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    Yeah his whereabouts have not been shown conclusively only B4 and we know B4 was an inferior prototype and not suitable so his parts were left alone.
     
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  20. Greg Cox

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    Don't forget the faceless woman in "Charlie X." That really disturbed me as a kid.