Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

[Hythlodeus]

when I was a kid, one of my favourite movies was Predator, with A Clockwork Orange being a close second. (hey, we had a limited amount of VHS tapes lying around)
I turned out alright. Maybe trust your kids more.

 

[Yistaan]

I didn't feel a problem with that personally. I felt it was enough to know she did it because of whatever Oh had shown to her, and definitely connected to Soji being called the Destroyer. And besides, it's a show with serial storytelling. Whatever they haven't told us today, we'll probably learn soon enough.

I also don't feel it would be that realistic for her to explain at length why she was doing it. Most killers don't spend their victims' last moments telling them why they have to die; it's more like a narrative device in my opinion. But it's one that wasn't missing for me in this specific case.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure they go "This is for (whatever)" when they do it.

It would be like Seven killing Bjayzl with Bjayzl having no clue Seven even knew Icheb.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

It's a substitute for opioids.

(link)

Wow. Thank you. A high lasting 3-4 weeks would work for space hopping addicts.

 

[Alan Roi]

It also felt dramatically flat and unrealistic because of the need to hide from the audience why Agnes was killing Maddox. Realistically, Agnes would make sure Maddox knew why he had to die before she killed him. Maddox seemed just as confused as the audience.

I agree that the kind of monologuing that you are yearning for is necessary for a story that needs to be tied up in a bow in 45 minutes or a short story. However, this trope tends to be adjusted when the stories stretch to 450 minutes just as novels tend to do this as opposed to offering up all the answers instantly. For instance, the Terminator didn't go around telling all the Sharon Connors why it was killing them.

 

[Yistaan]

I agree that the kind of monologuing that you are yearning for is necessary for a story that needs to be tied up in a bow in 45 minutes or a short story. However, this trope tends to be adjusted when the stories stretch to 450 minutes just as novels tend to do this as opposed to offering up all the answers instantly.

As someone who had to, unfortunately, cut off my own verbally abusive mother and brother after last Thanksgiving where they were practically hazing me (forcing me to write propaganda emails that "I betrayed the family" for calling them out at laughing at my wife, even after I said repeatedly my chest hurt), I let them know once I got out of the car I was trapped in with them what they did was wrong and why they wouldn't ever see me again.

You don't take serious actions against someone unless you let them know why.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I didn't feel a problem with that personally. I felt it was enough to know she did it because of whatever Oh had shown to her, and definitely connected to Soji being called the Destroyer. And besides, it's a show with serial storytelling. Whatever they haven't told us today, we'll probably learn soon enough.

I also don't feel it would be that realistic for her to explain at length why she was doing it. Most killers don't spend their victims' last moments telling them why they have to die; it's more like a narrative device in my opinion. But it's one that wasn't missing for me in this specific case.

Exactly, it’s a movie trope. She clearly didn’t want to, the EMH appearing made that clear. Whatever it was that got her to do must be big enough to make her kill him because she was clearly in love with him. Fate of all life in the galaxy big.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Picard inhaling Tazbah (sp?) egg is the grossest thing from any Trek I've seen.

 

[Gonzo]

Exactly, it’s a movie trope. She clearly didn’t want to, the EMH appearing made that clear. Whatever it was that got her to do must be big enough to make her kill him because she was clearly in love with him. Fate of all life in the galaxy big.

She was crying her eyes out yet didn't hesitate to off him, not even a little bit.

Something scared the shit out of her.

 

[Tuskin38]

Is it going to end up tying in to Discovery and the big bad AI from the future

No.

 

[Alan Roi]

As someone who had to, unfortunately, cut off my own verbally abusive mother and brother after last Thanksgiving where they were practically hazing me (forcing me to write propaganda emails that "I betrayed the family" for calling them out at laughing at my wife, even after I said repeatedly my chest hurt), I let them know once I got out of the car I was trapped in with them what they did was wrong and why they wouldn't ever see me again.

You don't take serious actions against someone unless you let them know why.

Some people are in a mental state to do this, some people aren't. I've seen it go both ways in my life. Some times it takes years to get a "what did I do?" answered. Some times it never gets answered.

 

[Alan Roi]

when I was a kid, one of my favourite movies was Predator, with A Clockwork Orange being a close second. (hey, we had a limited amount of VHS tapes lying around)
I turned out alright. Maybe trust your kids more.

Heck, even back in the mid 70s Space 1999 was geting away with showing some pretty horrific gore on broadcast TV.

 

[Gonzo]

No.

I would prefer it if it didn't as well but we shall see.

We know it is something to do with AI and artificial life so that does limit the possibilities.

Right now the only option we know about that would tie in with something that has gone before would be the Borg.

 

[Awesome Possum]

It’s bigger than the Federation too, something both they and the Romulans are working together to keep from happening.

 

[Mark 2000]

Except in this case we are dealing with borg who were implanted as children. We know that their implants are so integrated into their bodies that they need them to survive.

But they survive long enough for someone to come in, find them, and be forced to euthanize them. But not long enough to put them back in or find a replacement like when it happened on Voyager. That's all set up for an over the top moment of pain/sacrifice for the sake of it.

 

[Yistaan]

But they survive long enough for someone to come in, find them, and be forced to euthanize them. But not enough time to put them back in or find a replacement like when it happened on Voyager. That's all set up for an over the top moment of pain/sacrifice for the sake of it.

Agreed. It might have been better if Bjayzl had harvested Icheb's parts, said "OK, I got what I needed now, can't let you live telling anyone" and shot Icheb dead, with Seven arriving too late but witnessing it, and screaming as Bjayzl beams out.

 

[Gonzo]

Some people are in a mental state to do this, some people aren't. I've seen it go both ways in my life. Some times it takes years to get a "what did I do?" answered. Some times it never gets answered.

She was literally squaring it with herself (without success) as she was doing it and she still didnt hesitate. or even attempt to save him.

Now I think about it what she did wasn't a cold blooded murder at all, it was as hot as hot could be and I am not talking about a crime of passion, that was something else altogether.

Maddox was a dead man before he even boarded that ship, he had no defence against her and would never ever suspect her.

Surely the Commodore would realise that she will spill the beans now that it is done, unless we are supposed to believe that no one will suspect her after he just happens to die, that would be ridiculous.

Does the Commodore want Picard to find out indirectly.

 

[sevenstars]

Heck, even back in the mid 70s Space 1999 was geting away with showing some pretty horrific gore on broadcast TV.

I think the horror of the Icheb scene was not so much the gore, as the terrible agony he was obviously in.

 

[Yistaan]

She was literally squaring it with herself (without success) as she was doing it and she still didnt hesitate. or even attempt to save him.

Now I think about it what she did wasn't a cold blooded murder at all, it was as hot as hot could be and I am not talking about a crime of passion, that was something else altogether.

Maddox was a dead man before he even boarded that ship, he had no defence against her and would never ever suspect her.

Surely the Commodore would realise that she will spill the beans now that it is done, unless we are supposed to believe that no one will suspect her after he just happens to die, that would be ridiculous.

Does the Commodore want Picard to find out indirectly.

If this secret is so horrific you can turn people into Zhat Vash fanatics just by telling them it, why didn't Oh just tell Picard?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Regarding Jurati's behavior, it strikes me that if there's a horrific secret involved, and it involves synths, then she might be more affected by it than the next person because it's her life's work.

 

[Gonzo]

If this secret is so horrific you can turn people into Zhat Vash fanatics just by telling them it, why didn't Oh just tell Picard?

Its like what I said in an earlier post, is it just the knowledge that gets transferred or the fear as well., a Vulcan can handle it but what if they spread that fear unintentionally.

It may not work on Picard as he has mind melded before and was a Borg for a time.

The Commodore may not be certain what Picard will do about it.