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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

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I know. That drives me nuts too. Blame it on historical illiteracy. We're supposed to think we beat the British all by our lonesome 'cause we're just that awesome.

True story: I was visiting once visiting an historic Revolutionary War battlefield when I heard a father explaining to his kids that Lafayette was the commander of the British forces during the War.

The pain, the pain!
von Steuben?
 
got a problem with a joe haldeman quote*?
fuck you, sir!
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* if you don't believe it read the forever war

I actually have a first edition of that book that I got from the old Science Fiction Book Club back in the seventy's around here someplace.
But it's been many, Many years since I read it.
 
Given what Picard is trying to allegorize, I think that some bringing in of current affairs can be expected. But let's do it with less needless editorial swipes at the Orange One. As mentioned, Miscellaneous or TNZ is the place for that sort of thing.

fuck you, sir!
I want to think that this was meant in jest, but you may want to explain the joke to me. Generally saying "fuck you" is a good way to get a quick Warning.
 
Just like South Park showed, all politics boils down to a choice between a giant douche vs. a turd sandwich.
And I prefer Vulcan ears over Romulan Ears.
 
Given what Picard is trying to allegorize, I think that some bringing in of current affairs can be expected. But let's do it with less needless editorial swipes at the Orange One. As mentioned, Miscellaneous or TNZ is the place for that sort of thing.


I want to think that this was meant in jest, but you may want to explain the joke to me. Generally saying "fuck you" is a good way to get a quick Warning.
it's a quote from one of the ten best sf books written in america ... it doesn't mean what everybody thinks.

... the us army after nam decides that the ordinary grunt needs to swear about their officers and thusly replaces yes, sir! with fuck you, sir! - its henceforth standard army speech.

... i linked to the book

really, that's american culture not european misfitserea

the book
 
von Steuben?

Or maybe Cornwallis?

The point being that Lafayette was on our side, fighting for the Revolution, but this random dad was teaching his kids that Lafayette was the enemy. So, yeah, the fact that the French played a big part in helping the colonists beat the British is possibly not as well remembered as it should be.

Alas, I could not think of a graceful way to correct him with embarrassing him in front of his kids, which I suspect would not go over well, so I had to bite my tongue and vent on the internet years later. :)
 
Or maybe Cornwallis?

The point being that Lafayette was on our side, fighting for the Revolution, but this random dad was teaching his kids that Lafayette was the enemy. So, yeah, the fact that the French played a big part in helping the colonists beat the British is possibly not as well remembered as it should be.

Alas, I could not think of a graceful way to correct him with embarrassing him in front of his kids, which I suspect would not go over well, so I had to bite my tongue and vent on the internet years later. :)
Louis also bankrolled the US government.
 
Or maybe Cornwallis?

The point being that Lafayette was on our side, fighting for the Revolution, but this random dad was teaching his kids that Lafayette was the enemy. So, yeah, the fact that the French played a big part in helping the colonists beat the British is possibly not as well remembered as it should be.

Alas, I could not think of a graceful way to correct him with embarrassing him in front of his kids, which I suspect would not go over well, so I had to bite my tongue and vent on the internet years later. :)

come on, skip the von and get a parade
 
it's a quote from one of the ten best sf books written in america ... it doesn't mean what everybody thinks.

... the us army after nam decides that the ordinary grunt needs to swear about their officers and thusly replaces yes, sir! with fuck you, sir! - its henceforth standard army speech.

... i linked to the book

really, that's american culture not european misfitserea

the book

Fitting, because on my reading of it, the book is a wish fulfillment fantasy for a scifi nerd who is desperate to get laid. Even his lesbian subordinate turns out to want to bang the main character.
 
Fitting, because on my reading of it, the book is a wish fulfillment fantasy for a scifi nerd who is desperate to get laid. Even his lesbian subordinate turns out to want to bang the main character.

you sure we read the same book?
 
I'm a Finn* so I have no part in that. It is just funny how dismissive Americans are towards the French even though their nation wouldn't even exist without the French help.

(We also say 'hä' or 'häh' to express puzzlement BTW.)
I think the prevailing attitude we have these days is, “what have you done for us lately, bitches?” We tried to bail their dumb asses out of the failed colonial mess they created for themselves in Vietnam and it took kicking Saddam’s ass (twice), a third-rate dictator at best, to finally excise those demons that haunted us for decades.

The French can most definitely go fuck themselves. But, we digress. That’s not really what this thread is about.
 
Fitting, because on my reading of it, the book is a wish fulfillment fantasy for a scifi nerd who is desperate to get laid. Even his lesbian subordinate turns out to want to bang the main character.
Yeah ... I'm thinking that upon reading a couple of excerpts of that book back then, is the main reason I got it.
I was a horny dog in my 20's back then.
:whistle:
 
I think the prevailing attitude we have these days is, “what have you done for us lately, bitches?” We tried to bail their dumb asses out of the failed colonial mess they created for themselves in Vietnam and it took kicking Saddam’s ass (twice) to finally excise those demons that haunted us for decades.

The French can most definitely go fuck themselves. But, we digress. That’s not really what this thread is about.
hä?
 
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