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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

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I think this thing will be solved by season 1. Next season it will be something else entirely. Like with Discovery, for example. I doubt we'll hear from Control again.

no way - as star trek: picard most likely ends with jean-luc 'riding into the sunset' (in one way or another) i bet it will be one big arc
 
I think this thing will be solved by season 1. Next season it will be something else entirely. Like with Discovery, for example. I doubt we'll hear from Control again.

We'll see. The best way to lure people back is to leave the story incomplete.
 
Seven wasn't this aggressive in VOY.
An explanation for that is already written into the story though. Apparently she had some sort of emotional block the Borg installed that was only finally removed when Voyager's Doctor figured out how at the Voyager series finale.
 
We'll see. The best way to lure people back is to leave the story incomplete.

Yes, but people get sick of if they always talk about the same thing. They want changes. Remember how they dropped the temporal cold war on Ent, although it was too little too late to save the show.
 
I am liking the 3D interfaces, in The Visitor (which was set in the 25C) they mentioned these being used then. Perhaps after the various wars in the late 24C the Federation felt like it was time for a big upgrade.

The holographic/3D interfaces does significantly reduce the dangers posed by traditional rock-filled consoles.
 
what'd i really like is when in the end the cinc has to appologize to jean-luc on life-tv at starfleet headquarters was a tamarian ensign in the honour guard (yeah i know, fan wank - so what!)
 
Remember how they dropped the temporal cold war on Ent, although it was too little too late to save the show.

You mean after 75 or so episodes? We'll only end up with roughly 30 Picard episodes. Plenty of avenues of the Synth story to explore, if they so chose.
 
The holographic/3D interfaces does significantly reduce the dangers posed by traditional rock-filled consoles.

I don't know how they manage to run a plasma conduit behind each and every console of the bridge. That's quite a feat of engineering. :lol:
 
You mean after 75 or so episodes? We'll only end up with roughly 30 Picard episodes. Plenty of avenues of the Synth story to explore, if they so chose.

The temporal cold war was only talked about in small doses, say one episode every five or six. If it had been the main subject, people would have gotten sick of it much sooner.
 
Why is Picard choosing a ragtag band of hired guns instead of close friends who are practically family and would blindly risk their own lives for him? Because he knows that the ragtag band would simply do competent, professional work and get him where he wants to go out of their own self-interest, and not invest themselves emotionally and put themselves in harm's way for his sake. Mercs like Rios and Raffi would not put their own lives at risk for Picard out of personal loyalty, but Geordi or Worf would do exactly that. And Picard doesn't want that. It's that simple. But this particular line of discussion seems to be at an impasse and to have run its course, so perhaps it's best to just leave it at that and move on to something more productive.

how about starfleet letting the romulans 'experiment' on former drones?

Perhaps Starfleet protested. But what can they really do about it? The salvage operation is within the borders of the "Romulan Free State," since that entity has to grant approval for anybody who wants to come in and work there. And the Romulans don't seem to be disclosing all the gory details to the rest of the galaxy, just presenting it as a tech reclamation/research project. In any case, it would be a diplomatic nightmare if Starfleet was to unilaterally send ships into sovereign Romulan territory and break it up.

Kor
 
At the end of the day we'll find out Hugh sabotaged the synths because his so-called friend Geordi couldn't be bothered to check up on him in 15 years. :borg:
Why is Picard choosing a ragtag band of hired guns instead of close friends who are practically family and would blindly risk their own lives for him? Because he knows that the ragtag band would simply do competent, professional work and get him where he wants to go out of their own self-interest, and not invest themselves emotionally and put themselves in harm's way for his sake. Mercs like Rios and Raffi would not put their own lives at risk for Picard out of personal loyalty, but Geordi or Worf would do exactly that. And Picard doesn't want that. It's that simple. But this particular line of discussion seems to be at an impasse and to have run its course, so perhaps it's best to just leave it at that and move on to something more productive.



Perhaps Starfleet protested. But what can they really do about it? The salvage operation is within the borders of the "Romulan Free State," since that entity has to grant approval for anybody who wants to come in and work there. And the Romulans don't seem to be disclosing all the gory details to the rest of the galaxy, just presenting it as a tech reclamation/research project. In any case, it would be a diplomatic nightmare if Starfleet was to unilaterally send ships into sovereign Romulan territory and break it up.

Kor
The Romulans are in no position to demand anything right now. If the Romulans don't comply with Federation requests, the Fed can say, "Fine, don't expect our help when the Klingons take you over."

And it probably wouldn't be illegal to do this because I doubt the Federation Council had pre-approved aid for Romulans that would be denied.

Although after the Fed abandoned Romulus, the Romulans may just ignore anything from the Fed due to pride.
 
Perhaps Starfleet protested. But what can they really do about it? The salvage operation is within the borders of the "Romulan Free State," since that entity has to grant approval for anybody who wants to come in and work there. And the Romulans don't seem to be disclosing all the gory details to the rest of the galaxy, just presenting it as a tech reclamation/research project. In any case, it would be a diplomatic nightmare if Starfleet was to unilaterally send ships into sovereign Romulan territory and break it up.

Kor

true, but ms hansen might consider it 'personal' anyway
 
Why do people hate this idea so much? I get that real life isn't like that and the dramatic value but is it such a horrible concept? At one point, I thought that idealism was part of Trek, it wasn't just nacelles and phasers.

Because it's possible to get carried away with the whole utopian thing. Ideally, Trek should be optimistic and idealistic, but still keep one foot firmly on the ground, rooted in the harsher realities of life. IMHO.
 
I got that much. But your sentence makes little sense. I was trying to figure out what you were saying about it.
might be a germanism (we got rather long sentences)
  1. in the end the cinc has to appologize to jean-luc because the latter was right all along
  2. that happens at starfleet hq and life on fnn
  3. they have an honour guard for jean luc
  4. one member of that honour guard is a tamarian ensign
better?
 
Because it's possible to get carried away with the whole utopian thing. Ideally, Trek should be optimistic and idealistic, but still keep one foot firmly on the ground, rooted in the harsher realities of life. IMHO.
Also, an essential aspect is we need to work to keep/create Utopia, and Picard is emphasizing that. The Federation took utopia for granted and that's why it's decaying.

Picard is meant to motivate its viewers. If people just assume a utopia is automatically in our future, they're not going to work to attain it.
 
might be a germanism (we got rather long sentences)
  1. in the end the cinc has to appologize to jean-luc because the latter was right all along
  2. that happens at starfleet hq and life on fnn
  3. they have an honour guard for jean luc
  4. one member of that honour guard is a tamarian ensign
better?
I understood what you were saying earlier. :techman:

Kor
 
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