Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

[Guy Gardener]

how many captains do you think are running errands for a 4 star admiral - in real life, that is?

I looked it up, she was a Lieutenant commander and his XO on the USS Verity.

A lot of people in Starfleet get promoted to Captain just because they put in their time, but they don't have the chutzpah to command a ship or a starbase.

 

[oberth]

I looked it up, she was a Lieutenant commander and his XO on the USS Verity.

from an ****adm's pov: a dozen a dollar

anybody got numbers for captains compared to ships (of which many are commanded by lower grade officers) in the us navy?

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's also a question of security clearance.

Some of the matters that Admirals deal with, they can't trust anything less than a Captain to keep their confidences.

 

[Discofan]

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So they're taking it's blood and making it into suicide pills?

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Why not? Some of the deadliest poisons (like curare) are made of fluids extracted from animals and plants.

In the original Alien, a few drops of blood went through several floors of the humongous ship before stopping. In a smaller ship it would have bored a hole through the hull.

In subsequent movies, the blood was noticeably weaker. Maybe it's a mutation or something.

 

[jaime]

Lariss' device only showed what occurred before the actual attack in the apartment.
They see Dahj sitting on the couch with her BF.
She and Picard ASSUMED everything else.

Dahj told Picard everything else, and he witnessed the Romulan kill Dahj. He didn’t just replicate it from his arse.

 

[Gonzo]

I looked it up, she was a Lieutenant commander and his XO on the USS Verity.

A lot of people in Starfleet get promoted to Captain just because they put in their time, but they don't have the chutzpah to command a ship or a starbase.

Or they specialise in a particular area like Cornwell in Discovery.

In Star Trek I have always seen it roughly like this.

Commander in Chief Starfleet
Sector Admirals - 4 pips - Stationary but posted very distant from earth
Fleet Admirals - 3 pips - Mobile with the fleet, many ship with many Captains
Vice Admirals - 2 pips - Highest a medical can go such as Cornwell, very mobile checking on health
Rear Admirals - 1 pip - Highest a non combatant Admiral can go - bureaucrat - stationary - someone like Clancy
Commodore - Special rank for Installations, starbases or security
Fleet Captains - Unofficial if no suitable Admiral is present or required
Captain
Commander
Lt Commander

I would have thought an Odyssey class ship like the Verity would have its own Captain and full Commander, perhaps there was still a shortage of ranked officers after losing so many during the Dominion war.

 

[DaveyNY]

Dahj told Picard everything else, and he witnessed the Romulan kill Dahj. He didn’t just replicate it from his arse.

Talking about the attack in the apt.

Yes, she did TELL Jean-Luc, but he didn't actually SEE the attack in the apartment on a "tape".

Which is what I said earlier.

The best Laris could actually show was Dahj & her BF sitting on the couch.
Everything after that was permanently gone.
They made assumptions about what happened.

That's also why Picard had no proof to go to Star Fleet with.

 

[DEWLine]

The intro display a lot of particles and crystals coming together and forming stuff (nanoprobes?), like an eye, then the eye becomes artificial, then bits and pieces are forming Picard....

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!

The broken sky, the vinyards, the Borg cube-ship, the organic android project, the destruction of Romulus...and thence to Picard...

 

[137th Gebirg]

If either of them were 'good officers' at this juncture in their lives, they'd still be in Starfleet.

I dunno - the way things look like they're at, many of the good officers left when Starfleet turned into a bunch of douche canoes. It seems that the usual minority quota of idiot/psychotic/corrupt admirals had increased by several orders of magnitude since Nemesis and, once taking over everything, ran it into the ground.

 

[oberth]

I would have thought an Odyssey class ship like the Verity would have its own Captain and full Commander, perhaps there was still a shortage of ranked officers after losing so many during the Dominion war.

they lost the ships to put them in, too - just saying

 

[Gonzo]

they lost the ships to put them in, too - just saying

Its generally the case that you will have more ships than suitable officers and crew, never mind after a war as big as the one with the Dominion.

Ships are easier and quicker to replace, training suitable officers and crew takes a long time.

 

[Amos]

how many captains do you think are running errands for a 4 star admiral - in real life, that is?

During my time in the U.S.N., our skipper (commanding officer) took an assignment at the Pentagon. He went from leading a squadron of hundreds of men and women and making decisions affecting the safety of the United States to running errands for Admirals and Generals and the like. My understanding was that serving donuts and pouring coffee (obviously not the only thing he was doing, but that was the joke among us enlisted at the time) at the Pentagon was kind of a necessary step on one's career as an officer if you wanted to move into the flag officer ranks. He was a newly promoted Captain at the time.

 

[DEWLine]

Adjutancy has its endurance rituals and its privileges and benefits, clearly.

 

[oberth]

Its generally the case that you will have more ships than suitable officers and crew, never mind after a war as big as the one with the Dominion.

Ships are easier and quicker to replace, training suitable officers and crew takes a long time.

really? both the royal navy and the deutsche marine have more admirals (* - ****) than warships (don't know about the usn). whether those are suitable to command more than a desk is open to discussion, though.

the deutsche marine has 33 admirals for 29 warships (and that does count minesweepers)

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During my time in the U.S.N., our skipper (commanding officer) took an assignment at the Pentagon. He went from leading a squadron of hundreds of men and women and making decisions affecting the safety of the United States to running errands for Admirals and Generals and the like. My understanding was that serving donuts and pouring coffee (obviously not the only thing he was doing, but that was the joke among us enlisted at the time) at the Pentagon was kind of a necessary step on one's career as an officer if you wanted to move into the flag officer ranks. He was a newly promoted Captain at the time.

exactly

 

[BillJ]

I would have thought an Odyssey class ship like the Verity would have its own Captain and full Commander, perhaps there was still a shortage of ranked officers after losing so many during the Dominion war.

I do wonder how much of that comic is going to end up sticking?

 

[oberth]

I do wonder how much of that comic is going to end up sticking?

may be it will be getting sticked

 

[BillJ]

What if Rios is a synth? And the ibn Majid was a Starfleet testbed for synthetics controlling a starship? Which would explain why all records of it were wiped away.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Agreed. So much about Raffi's backstory doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Why would she have been kicked out of Starfleet? Just for supporting Picard? I know the show is positioning Starfleet as a quasi-antagonist who had "lost its way", but I can't believe they would "fire" an experienced officer just because her CO resigned in protest.

That feels ridiculously petty and vindictive and I wouldn't buy that as being realistic in a 21st Century organization (without additional justification, let alone Starfleet of the 24th..

How about the 21st Century US government?

At last its canon, financial transactions exit in the UFP and on Earth, the sexy pilot is not free! No more 'we don't get paid, we work to better ourselves' crap! lol

Why do people hate this idea so much? I get that real life isn't like that and the dramatic value but is it such a horrible concept? At one point, I thought that idealism was part of Trek, it wasn't just nacelles and phasers.

 

[JoeZhang]

Given what Hugh said - did Seven return with voyager and find she was a non-person as an xB and they tried to throw her in a prison camp?

 

[Discofan]

What if Rios is a synth? And the ibn Majid was a Starfleet testbed for synthetics controlling a starship? Which would explain why all records of it were wiped away.

For all we know He could be a hologram with a hidden portable emitter (the way the doctor was in Renaissance Man)

A hologram with a protecting force field around the portable emitter would be practically invulnerable.