Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

[Discofan]

You conveniently trimmed Dahj's picture of here talking on the phone
If you can call someone, you can disconnect someone. What would they say in late 24th century when you don't want them to disconnect the conversation.
"Please don't abruptly end my communication to you since you probably don't want to talk to me?"

Give the young generations some credit. They often come up with new expressions that completely baffle the old guys.

 

[Discofan]

Watch movies or take off their hats?

I've seen hatless Amish. I don't know if it's status or something. To tell you the truth I don't know much about their idiosyncrasies.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

How exactly do you “hang up” on a communicator?

Have you ever butt-dialed someone? I mean literally, with a dial-style phone in your back pocket. If so, then you have a dexterous butt. Another example: Email today uses cc for copying people in on a message, which colloquially means carbon copy. But how can someone send an actual carbon copy electronically?

Same thing goes for the not-yet-uncommon phrase "turn the channel" on a TV. It's been decades since I've needed to turn something in order to change my TV channels. Some people still use the verb "film" when they talk about making a video on their iPhone (e.g., "Film me on your phone jumping over these three office chairs; it's gonna be epic!") even though there is no film involved.

Will any of these last 300 years? Probably not most of them, but it wouldn't surprise me if cc is still used for copying people on a message, even though its literal origin might be long forgotten by then. "Dialing up" a series of digits might still be in use, but with the idea of a physical number dial no longer being part of the phrase's meaning.

 

[Gonzo]

Maybe he was acting dumb, after all, he is part of the organization that Picard just threw under the bus. I have trouble seeing many people in the days after the interview being excited to see Picard.

True but he was totally setup by the reporter, especially as she said she would not go into that.

I do wonder at the timing of it all.

 

[uberfalcon]

See that square-ish icon next to a house icon? I use that to "Save" a document in the latest Office 2019 version of Word.
For those that don't know, this icon represent a "floppy disk" which hasn't been widely used for about 20 years by now.

Don't hang up, click on the floppy disk icon. People stick to their traditions for a very very long time.



Seriosly @SJGardner, this is not the first time this happened

I definitely see your point, but I'm looking at it from a writing standpoint. The exact phrase "don't hang up" feels very contemporary, and the decision to either write the line that way, or to leave it in the edit if Patrick Stewart ad-libbed it, is a curious one.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

To go with my examples above (such as the continued use of the verb "dial" when it comes to entering a phone number, even though a physical dial is no loger used), I found this example from DS9.

In the 5th season episode For the Uniform, Dax uses the following colloquialism:

"And the next time I go off, half-cocked, on some wild-eyed adventure, think back to this moment and be a little more understanding."​

I'm referring to it as a colloquialism because by that time you would think that they would not have intimate knowledge of the workings of an old-fashioned firearm. They might understand that the phrase "half-cocked" means "half-ready" or "not fully prepared", but they likely would not be thinking about the literal origin of the phrase (to have a gun's hammer only half retracted) when using it.

Similarly, Picard might not be thinking of hanging a phone handset on its cradle when speaking the phrase "hang up", but (as colloquialisms usually go) the idiom's meaning is understood, even if the literal origin of the phrase is not.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Don't quit your day job" survives until at least the year 2399. Old colloquialisms die hard with Federation humans.

 

[SJGardner]

I doubt that, or we would have represented it with a pair of hands holding a chisel and a hammer in front of a slab of stone...

Why not? The barber's pole comes from the time barbers still worked as bloodletters (apparently that's what patients grabbed onto to enhance blood flow), while the Rod of Asclepius is still used as a symbol of medicine, originating as an ancient symbol of that god... not to mention the Caduceus, which was originally a symbol of commerce (being Hermes' staff), still being used as another medical symbol into the 24th century... if a symbol gets ingrained in a culture and acquires a symbolic meaning beyond its literal function, it can stay on for thousands of years.

 

[DaveyNY]

Could just be protocol.

That receptionist was obviously being a dick.
He knew exactly who Picard was, otherwise he wouldn't have said at the end...

"...nice to see you up and around Admiral. Welcome back."

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

if a symbol gets ingrained in a culture and acquires a symbolic meaning beyond its literal function, it can stay on for thousands of years.

Symbol or phrase. I might say "pull out all the stops" to someone, and they would likely understand that I mean "do everything possible.' However, I doubt they would think about (and may not even know) the literal meaning, which is to pull open all of the stops on a pipe organ.

 

[AgentCoop]

People still use the phrase "loose cannon".

 

[Racefuel]

People still use the phrase "loose cannon".

Im sure some people on this board would die if you heard the phrase "loose cannon" in Star Trek, they'd expect some stupid treknobable cringe like "oh he's an uncalibrated phaser!"

 

[eschaton]

People still use the phrase "loose cannon".

Or "building up a head of steam"

The term "strike" dates back to at least the 18th century, when sailors would strike the sails and refuse to work.

 

[Racefuel]

Or "building up a head of steam"

The term "strike" dates back to at least the 18th century, when sailors would strike the sails and refuse to work.

or "if she's here she's rigged for silent running" In TUC

 

[Discofan]

That receptionist was obviously being a dick.
He knew exactly who Picard was, otherwise he wouldn't have said at the end...

"...nice to see you up and around Admiral. Welcome back."

Maybe that's what he was paid for... He was a hired dick.

 

[Discofan]

Im sure some people on this board would die if you heard the phrase "loose cannon" in Star Trek, they'd expect some stupid treknobable cringe like "oh he's an uncalibrated phaser!"

Yeah, that's what they do... Like "Isik for your thoughts" for example.

 

[Reverend]

Give the young generations some credit. They often come up with new expressions that completely baffle the old guys.

And most of them fall out of fashion just as fast. You'd be surprised how old certain common expressions are, and what their original meanings were.

Plus there's a school of thought that says the advent of audio/video recordings have the potential to drastically reduce the speed and degree of dialect divergence over the course of centuries.

 

[cooleddie74]

This thread is "a good egg."

 

[Doc Mugatu]

or "if she's here she's rigged for silent running" In TUC

I understand what's being said and can agree … partially. With respect to nautical or naval terminology … well … I give that a pass. The military does place a premium on tradition and history. As for things like "hang up" all I can say is every age has their hipster-dufuses.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

This thread is "a good egg."

Totally like the cat's pajamas. Like totally.