Star Trek Online and Countdown Graphic Novel Continuities
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Why do you say that?Anyway, given recent events, we're not likely to read anything MU-related for a while now anywayso it's not like this is going to be put to the test...
Maybe the "recent event" he's talking about the publication of the 2010 schedule which doesn't show any MU books this year.
And since Rise Like Lions turned out to be a non-starter.
(That's what I was referring to when I mentioned "recent events".)
If I'm not mistaken nobody has said it is a non-starter, just that it hasn't been approved yet. Big Difference.And since Rise Like Lions turned out to be a non-starter.
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You know I just realized something. Star Trek Online can't be the future of Trek lit for one very important reason
Risa was razed during the Borg invasion and there is no way it would take just 30 years to get te planet back to resort status after everything on the surface being reduced to ash.
Risa was razed during the Borg invasion and there is no way it would take just 30 years to get te planet back to resort status after everything on the surface being reduced to ash.
^Well, there are plenty of other reasons why ST:O can't be the Trek Lit future. I may have already posted this earlier in the thread, but just as a reminder, here's a partial list of the contradictions:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Path_to_2409#Discontinuities
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Path_to_2409#Discontinuities
Perhaps...nature is more hardy than you'd think....
Even considering the destruction of the Borg, live would still survive on Risa, in some form or other--perhaps as bacteria in the soil. And perhaps by the 24th century, "clean-up" and "rebuild" projects are...quite advanced.
If I'm not mistaken nobody has said it is a non-starter, just that it hasn't been approved yet. Big Difference.And since Rise Like Lions turned out to be a non-starter.
How so?
^That's right. Rise Like Lions hasn't been rejected or cancelled or anything; it just got announced prematurely while it's still under consideration.
Not when there is literally no life to be left on the planet and the entire biosphere has been turned to radioactive glass.
No, Destiny was quite clear on this: All organic life is exterminated when the Borg razed any given planet. The planes themselves were turned into radioactive balls of glass. Period.
Yes, and even granting the remarkable hardiness of life, it would still take millions of years, not just dozens, to bounce back from a global cataclysm like that. So Rush is right about the general principle but immensely off-base about the timing.
Besides, isn't it a moot point? We already know for an absolute fact that Star Trek Online and the novel continuity are not the same reality. There are many contradictions going at least as far back as 2376. Destiny simply didn't happen in the STO timeline.
Besides, isn't it a moot point? We already know for an absolute fact that Star Trek Online and the novel continuity are not the same reality. There are many contradictions going at least as far back as 2376. Destiny simply didn't happen in the STO timeline.
Period-smeriod, life is remarkably good and finding ways to hold on. It reclaims land that's been nuked, it recolonises after volcanoes wipe out an ecosystem and covers it in volcanic glass. All it takes if a few air-born lifeforms to come in and settle after the destruction, or a pocket of life in cave or some other shelter the Borg's weapons did not reach and hey presto in a few million years you have a flourishing planet once more. With a bit of terraforming on top of that you've got a busy living planet again in no time.
It would take one hell of an effort to restore Risa to pre-Borg conditions in the time frame of it appearing in Online, but it's perfectly possible for Risa to restore itself organically, and undoubtedly doable artificially.
Dude, there's nothing left. Star Trek established as far back as TOS that a Federation starship is capable of annihilating all life on a Class M planet and turning it into a ball of radioactive glass, and Destiny made it clear that the Borg more than share that capacity. When the Borg exterminate a planet, there's nothing left. Anywhere. The entire biosphere has been purged. There are no bacteria, no microbes, no fungi, no plants, no animals, no viruses, no DNA strands, no RNA strands, nothing.
I agree, a natural recovery would take quite literally forever.
However, an accelerated recovery...initiated by 24th-century technology...such as introduction of genetically-enhanced bacteria into the soil...building artificial aquifiers...and so on...
It's amazing what one can do.
And Sci...frankly, even if all the weapons of a starship were turned on the surface of a planet...and all the plants and all the animals died...and the planet was clicking hot from destruction and radioactivity...even then, life would survive, somewhere, deep under the soil...or frozen in arctic ice....
Sooner or later, when said planet is no longer inhospitable--life would spread again. The natural cycle would begin...again.
Oh, it make take a near eternity for life to return to the variety it held before the destruction--naturally, without assitance from the Federation's resources--and of course it would be very different from what it had been--but the planet would survive the wrath of the aggressor, only the previous inhabitants would not.
Only arrogance would lead one to assume that one can truly destroy nature--permanently. The universe lives and breaths on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms--and we haven't got the humility to try.
Even the Borg, with all its vast power and might, cannot permanently prevent nature from bounding back to full existence. Even if all the Borg's power were to be turned on a world--as what happened to Risa--life...would find a way. And how slowly or how quickly that recovery would be, of course can be determined by the actions of those who have the power to assist.
Such as the Federation.
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But even that would be an essentially entirely new ecosystem. There's no reason to think that it would evolve in ways at all similar to Risa's previous state.
I love how you talk about this like you, or anyone else, has any idea how close to right or wrong it is. Given that life has only ever been observed on one planet in the galaxy so far, we actually have no idea how robust life is.
Not to mention, even in-universe, terraforming has always been portrayed as taking a really really long time, except for Genesis. I haven't read Genesis Wave, but I'd assume that'd be outlawed at this point.
Star Trek has established no such thing. After all, its stories are told from the perspective of humanoids, and there's a pervasive tendency to use the term "life forms" to refer only to people rather than animals, plants, microbes, etc. So the franchise has been pretty agnostic on whether everything is exterminated.
Besides, 8of5 is right; there's no way to rule out absolutely that something small wasn't missed somewhere, perhaps deep underground or at the bottom of the ocean. The Borg aren't interested in wiping out every last microbe; as a rule, they're interested in assimilating technology and organisms they can use, and in the case of Destiny they were interested in eliminating the United Federation of Planets as a threat, which means wiping out the sentient beings that make it up. In both cases, biosphere destruction was merely a side effect rather than their specific goal. So there is no logic to the assumption that they would bother to be diligent about wiping out every last microbe or fungal spore.
Again, though, why are we even having this debate when it's beside the point? Risa wasn't destroyed in STO, because Destiny didn't happen in that timeline. Thus, in the Pocket timeline, there is no reason to try to justify the idea of Risa being restored in 30 years.
Not to mention that both extreme positions being argued are wrong. No, the Borg don't wipe out every last molecule of biomatter; but no, just because something survives doesn't mean you can expect a globally devastated planet to be restored to normal in a paltry 30 years, even with advanced terraforming. You guys need to meet in the middle. Maybe Risa, Deneva, and the other planets can be restored eventually, but it won't be a rapid process.
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