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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x03 - "In the Cradle of Vexilon"

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I’m not saying it isn’t known or didn’t have an impact.

It’s the idea that obscure Twin Peaks references are something that could be considered common knowledge that I take issue with.

From start to finish, Twin Peaks is one big deep cut. Nothing in it has resonated in the same way as ‘Klingon’ or ‘beam me up, Scotty’ (to take a few examples).

I know that Twin Peaks exists, it's just that (like everything else David Lynch has ever made except Dune) I don't understand a damn bit of it. So I also take issue with the "common knowledge" part. It's implying that those who don't like it or don't get it are somehow mentally deficient. And yeah, I do have a problem with that.
 
So I also take issue with the "common knowledge" part. It's implying that those who don't like it or don't get it are somehow mentally deficient. And yeah, I do have a problem with that.

Im not sure as I’d go that far. The original comment seemed benign enough.

I’m in the same boat as you. I know there is something called Twin Peaks. I know it’s supposed to be weird and that it has a revival recently. Beyond that… I got nothing.
 
I, too, know precious little about Twin Peaks and I even was part of a friend group in middle school that was obsessed with it. A few even purchased what Wikipedia tells me is called “The Autobiography of F.B.I. Special Agent Dale Cooper: My Life, My Tapesbut I only remember as a diary by the FBI agent character. I know the FBI agent is investigating the death of a popular high schooler named Laura Palmer, he likes a diner, the town is called Twin Peaks and it’s full of weirdness. That’s about it. I would never have gotten the reference in this Lower Decks episode without all of you lovely people.

That’s the great thing about spaces like this though. I can never keep track of all the pop culture created this year, much less all previous years. However, with the combined power of obsessive fans, I can be kept in the know about so much stuff! I will add to the shared knowledge if Lower Decks ever references Sailor Moon, Jane Austen novels or any of my other myriad obsessions and I will be very pleased until then to learn about whatever else makes my fellow Lower Decks fans light up.
 
I know that Twin Peaks exists, it's just that (like everything else David Lynch has ever made except Dune) I don't understand a damn bit of it. So I also take issue with the "common knowledge" part. It's implying that those who don't like it or don't get it are somehow mentally deficient. And yeah, I do have a problem with that.

Lynch is a strange one. Some of his work is clearly impenetrable (don't get me started on Inland Empire, that's three hours of my life I'd like back) but many of his films aren't as impenetrable as you think. I love Mullholland Drive, it's one of my favourite films, but I loved it even when I didn't have a clue what was going on, and I still love it now when I do (there's a huge amount of online consensus about what is actually going on and why and it makes sense). And then there's stuff like Blue Velvet which is at heart a fairly straightforward neo noir with some surreal flourishes. Twin Peaks I haven't seen since back in the day so I can't comment on it, I recall not having a clue what was going on but enjoying it, guess I just liked the vibe of it!
 
Twin Peaks is an absolute slow motion car crash cluster fudge. It's utter nonsense, and I say that affectionately having seen it all.

Also,
The black mountain Shaxs spoke of was outside the window.
 
The Kzinti is called Taylor? - I bet that is the translation.
Say, that's a good point. One of the features of Niven's Kzinti (I don't recall if it came up in TAS's "Slaver Weapon") is that they don't have personal names until they earn them, or they're born nobility. Instead, you get called whatever your profession is; the Kzinti lead of Ringworld was Speaker-To-Animals.

I don't think Taylor is actually a make of bespoke clothes and alterations, but it does fit Kzinti naming patterns if the assumption is correct. Maybe it's a family name. :)
 
David Lynch is one of those creative people who are fantastic when he works with someone to help keep him grounded or reigned in. But when left unfettered, his work just... is confusing.

That's why season three sucked so much. With the original series, he had Mark Frost to keep him grounded. The revival series is a complete mess!
 
That's why season three sucked so much. With the original series, he had Mark Frost to keep him grounded. The revival series is a complete mess!
I always liked the first season best, it was interesting, cool and surreal.

Unfortunately, I think for the second season they tried too hard to make it as weird and interesting as the first. And while it started out ok, it just got meandering and soap opera-ey for most of the season - although, it did finish stronger, just in time to be cancelled.
 
I think the main problem with the second season was the network wanting 22 episodes! Season 1 was only 8 episodes and it's probably the kind of show that benefits from the kind of truncated seasons we get on streaming nowadays. I haven't seen S3 yet, feel I'd need to rewatch all of 1 and 2 before I did.
 
I think the main problem with the second season was the network wanting 22 episodes! Season 1 was only 8 episodes and it's probably the kind of show that benefits from the kind of truncated seasons we get on streaming nowadays. I haven't seen S3 yet, feel I'd need to rewatch all of 1 and 2 before I did.

Truthfully, you would need to watch seasons 1 and 2 before watching season 3.
 
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