Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x07 - "Where Pleasant Fountains Lie"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Lower Decks' started by Commander Richard, Sep 22, 2021.

?

Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Excellent!

  2. 9

  3. 8

  4. 7

  5. 6

  6. 5

  7. 4

  8. 3

  9. 2

  10. 1 - Crash and burn!

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2020
    Location:
    Italy
    well, the Romulan crisis is around 4 years in the future of the show, so if we’re lucky we’ll get to a point they’ll have to address it.

    I don’t think Boimler will make admiral in 4 years, though. MAYBE commander if he gets promoted very fast.
     
  2. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Location:
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    Perhaps T'Pol showed Archer a way of getting there "as the Vulcan crow flies"? ;)
     
    Wednesday Addams likes this.
  3. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    Commonly known as the "vulcrow." It's a very sticky animal.
     
  4. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Location:
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    Heh ... perhaps 'tacky' is a more apt description. :techman:
     
  5. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    Thanks. I couldn't quite think of the right descriptor.
     
    Wednesday Addams likes this.
  6. matthunter

    matthunter Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2004
    Location:
    Great Britain
    Tackyons are why it's so fast.
     
  7. ToddCam

    ToddCam Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2003
    Location:
    Philadelphia, PA, USA
    If I recall, on Enterprise, Vulcans did invent Velcro.
     
  8. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2001
    Location:
    Over Macho Grande
    Well, this episode was straight up the middle.

    Not one of the show's (sadly all-too-rare) good episodes, but not the total shit show that the last couple have been.

    It was fine. Not really funny, but at least fairly watchable. First half was stronger than the second half. Pretending Rutherford was dead was a big mistake. The fact that the explosion was a trick by the Queen was already blindingly obvious, but by throwing in the Rutherford fake-out, they made it even more so.

    I love the concept of a planet founded by Ren Faire nerds, but they could have done SO much more with that idea. Even just in the margins, they could have milked that idea for a lot of laughs, but really barely touched on it.

    They could/should also have made the Ren Faire people FAR more sexy and seductive to tempt Billips even more. There should have been scantily clad, nakedly sexual people around every corner.

    I think a funny episode punchline would have been if Billips was just like, "Yeah, I've had sex a lot, I just don't tell my mom." But whatever.

    The biggest flaw was (again) was Mariner. Her patronizing bullshit should have been left behind in season 1, it really felt like the characters have gotten past that point. And she receives no comeuppance for her behavior and doesn't even apologize. Boimler's (totally justified) anger towards her ends up being part of an act, but he has a legit grievance for her shitty behavior and she's never actually called on it or forced to confront her shittiness. Ugh.

    I really think this show needs to use the senior officers more, as this one did, as the core quartet is becoming tiresome. They keep playing the same notes over and over again. We get it. Time to add something more into the mix. Maybe a new lower deck character? Or just use the senior staff for more than just quick appearances.

    Overall, while this isn't a bad episode, per se, it does continue to highlight some of the show's macro issues which they really should have worked out by now.

    It's not surprising that their list of legitimate good episodes is so low, the foundation of the show is just deeply flawed.
     
    Deledrius likes this.
  9. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2001
    Location:
    Over Macho Grande
    Eh, not really. "Federation" is literally the name which, by definition, means a strong, central government with ultimate authority.

    The UN is basically just a club and is not a government at all. (though obviously the UFP stole their flag.)

    That said, we've seen that planetary governments seem to have quite a lot of autonomy and can leave the UFP at will.

    Truth lies somewhere in the middle.
     
    Wednesday Addams likes this.
  10. Restless Spirit

    Restless Spirit Wandering the Mortal Realm Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2003
    Location:
    Between Here and the Hereafter
    I didn't see anyone answer this yet. I assume they're referring to the scene early in the episode in Engineering where Billups explains his background. His skin shows as blue in that scene.

    [​IMG]

    But it has nothing to do with his physiology or anything, it's just because he's standing right beside a big blue glowy light on the warp core:

    [​IMG]

    You can actually see the colouration on his skin pulsate as the warp core pulsates. As well, you can see the same effect on his mother when she steps beside him, plus on the background engineer above in a later part of the scene.

    At least that's what I'm assuming they're referring to; it's the only time I remember Billups's skin appearing as a different colour than it usually does.
     
  11. Search4

    Search4 Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2008
    Location:
    New York City
    Seemed to me it was the pulsing of the warp core.
     
  12. Ghouleddie74

    Ghouleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Most Sincere Pumpkin Patch in the Galaxy
    In TNG when Geordi or other characters got too close to the intermix chamber they had blue light reflecting off their faces and bodies.
     
  13. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    Location:
    New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
    They had access to T'Pol's Vulcan star charts. ;)

    Yep. And Episode #1.

    Your humour must vary to mine. I did watch it just before midnight, but it was hilarious.
     
  14. Izzy Moonbow

    Izzy Moonbow Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Location:
    Amaris
    Agreed. The old "nerd under the thumb of his mommy is a virgin" trope really irritated me. Then the "can't get it up" scene towards the end kind of just really put me off. This really felt off, the whole episode did. I'm hoping it's just them off their game for an episode, because I generally love the show.
     
    Deledrius, KimMH and Crewman6 like this.
  15. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2011
    Eh, I think it was notable that the Starfleet crew cheered his choice to remain a virgin. No one made fun of him for it.

    And if he's not sexually attracted to men or women, it's a thing.
     
  16. Sylvie

    Sylvie Goddess of Mischief Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2001
    Location:
    Known Alias: Awesome Possum
    Yeah, I figured he was asexual. He probably felt pressured to have sex, but couldn't make it work.
     
  17. dupersuper

    dupersuper Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2020
    Not asexual or bi? He had both guards in his room...

    I wonder if they survived the synth ban...

    Do we know that the ship was near the home world?

    I'd consider that unlucky. I hope they stop at 2381 for a while. The longer we can go without dealing with all that the better...
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2021
  18. Andyliini

    Andyliini Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2018
    This one for me was worth of an 8.

    There were plenty of situations where the jokes hit the right notes, and few where they didn't. Combs was great as the computer, but wouldn't it be more safe to just turn the computer off if you have captured it? Then again if they did that we would not have gotten that hilarious scene at the end where all the evil computers try to one-up each other.

    It was also great to see some or our heroes' grow and perhaps even prepare them for the upcoming seasons. Boimler certainly has captain material in him.
     
  19. Saul

    Saul Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Location:
    東京
    Yeah. Why is this even up for debate? Hasn't anyone been in a room with blue lights before?

    Totally, I think opinions will vary and if I was in a lighter mood I might laugh at some jokes. But I'm hard to please these days. I'm glad other people like it though.
    I find Rick & Morty hilarious. Red Dwarf too. Lower Decks just falls flat for me. It's a show that likes to think it's funnier than it actually is. Often it's a series of gags in a story rather than making the gags part of the story. Mariner is annoying, I find nothing funny about her over the top personality. I liked when she had character development at the end of season 1 and was vulnerable rather than the "nothing phases me, I can do anything" type of personality.

    Wow, can't wait for that reference,something like "Oh my god! this is like the time when Romulus exploded, this is so exciting! Woooooh! PLANET EXPLODING PARTY!!"
     
  20. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2011
    We've already got our first Picard reference with the fact the Daystrom Institute is modeled after the one from it.

    As for the attitude, Lower Decks is high energy but easily the most optimistic and idealistic Trek currently out there.
     
    dupersuper and Wednesday Addams like this.