Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x05 - "An Embarrassment of Dooplers"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Lower Decks' started by Commander Richard, Sep 8, 2021.

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  1. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    WHAT consequences? As always, there are none.
     
  2. Crewman6

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    In no way was Quark a "war hero."
     
  3. cooleddie74

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    I'm sure he portrayed himself as being heroic in the aftermath of the Dominion surrender ceremony but Rom likely had to pull weight to get his brother the licenses he wanted in other star systems. It wouldn't take much research to learn that Quark wasn't the fist-throwing action hero he might have advertised himself as being. ;)
     
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  4. Tim Thomason

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    Boimler finally realized it was wrong to just leave like that, and the tense relationship with Mariner these past few episodes seems to have been salvaged.

    Rutherford has been dealing with the issue of his memory loss for awhile and it comes to a head in this episode. He says himself that he won't be "competing" with the old Rutherford anymore.

    Again, though, I'm not sure if this is good, forward-thinking character development... or another reset button/backtrack that removes all the baggage they carried into Season 2. Supposedly, the season goes off the rails from here on, so I guess restoring them completely to the status quo will help when going into this next leg of the season.
     
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    That's now how he tells the story.
     
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  6. oldtrekkie

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    Well, he freed his brother which allowed him to disable the station's weapons which in turn was determining in retaking the station which was the first step toward winning the war against the Dominion. If that doesn't qualify him as a war hero then I don't know what will.
     
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  9. Crewman6

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    It doesn't make him a war hero. Even the show acknowledged it as a brave thing to do, but didn't make a big deal out of it.

    Quark is later seen acting like a coward in "The Siege of AR-558", so the "hero" moniker is more than a bit of a stretch.
     
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  10. oldtrekkie

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    Oh, come on! In "The Siege Of AR-558" he picked up a phaser and shot the Jemadars. I wouldn't call that the actions of a coward.
     
  11. Charles Phipps

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    He liberated Major Kira and helped the shutting off of DS9's defenses. Ironically, despite the fact he's generally nonviolent, he actually is.

    Many-many veterans would find the idea of being afraid disqualifying to be a stupid thing to say. There was even an episode with Jake saying so. Generally real life veterans state it is doing the right thing at the right time while scared out of your mind.

    Which Quark certainly did.

    The whole episode is about the emotional fallout from the season finale. What are you talking about?
     
  12. The Wormhole

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    Although this episode might not have been as funny as usual, I really like the message behind the episode that being among the cool "In Crowd" isn't actually all it's cracked up to be. And I love that this gets reinforced by revealing that Kirk and Spock once attended this really prestigious Starfleet Social Elite Party and left in disgust and spent the rest of the night hanging out at some quiet bar instead.
     
  13. Crewman6

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    Literally every single episode is "Mariner and Boimler argue! Mariner and Boimler argue! Aww, but they're friends!"

    It makes zero difference what the subject of the argument is, there is no actual character development or growth whatsoever, just an endlessly repeating cycle. They'll be back to arguing about something else next episode and the one after that....
     
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  14. Charles Phipps

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    That would also describe McCoy and Spock.
     
  15. F. King Daniel

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    I liked this one but it didn't set the world on fire, gave it a 7. Loved the car chase. And the Dooplers were goofy fun (if completely impossible)

    Loved the Protoype Saru makeup used, the TAS references and Okona's big gizmo being repurposed as his beat box

    Young Becky Mariner as a teenager "making mistakes" in an empty store on the promenade?
     
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    The station was designed to be enormous for the Vanguard novels. The bottom half of the disc was supposed to be large enough to dock 4 Constitution class starships (but was even larger inside). The upper half of the disc is a like a park. During the early design process the station was even larger, but it was slightly shrunk down. I had trouble figuring out what to put in it. The station was much smaller for RTOS.
    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca8...0.qDVooa73vkJAb_COPwBBzMp6x_R20Ahve4n83AKhZhw
     
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  17. donners22

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    I don't think anyone would describe McCoy and Spock arguing as representing character development.

    If anything, this feels more like Pulaski and Data, where one character comes off as an unreasonable bully as opposed to mutual bickering.
     
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  18. oldtrekkie

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    There's practically no character development in TOS. Very little in TNG. There's some in DS9 and practically none in Voy, except for Seven and the romance between B'elanna and Tom (sort of). There's so little character development in Enterprise that they can show us the whole crew practically unchanged after SEVEN YEARS!!!
     
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    A Star Trek Staple!
     
  20. Crewman6

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    What's your point? There was no character development across the series in TOS, the characters were what they were in every episode. That's what TV was like at the time.

    Pretending that there is "development" in LD is pure folly. There isn't. The characters are just as static, reverting constantly to the same basic defaults.

    ha. Exactly.