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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x09 - "Crisis Point"

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Did you take giddy glee over it, especially killing recreations of people you actually know and work with every day and YOUR OWN MOTHER?!

Morality is different from psychology.

There's nothing morally wrong in my book in having fantasies of killing co-workers or family, even if it were possible to have a holodeck and act on them there and only there. No actual harm is done to the other people or the simulations.

Psychologically, it's messed up, which the show acknowledged and even Mariner came to realize when she got her ass kicked by herself.
 
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People's mileage will vary, but I don't think that her actions from a moral standpoint are significantly different from people (including myself) having murdered millions of people, aliens and whatnot in video games like the Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead Redemption franchises, Call of Duty, Halo, etc.

Playing Sniper Elite 4 right now. Shooting Nazis in the testicles is very therapeutic in the here and now.
 
Killing genocidal assholes bent on world domination =/= killing your mother who's kind of a hardass towards you when you break the rules.

Did you not watch the whole episode? Mariner comes to the realization that it is messed up. You know what else is messed up? Having to fight to the death in order to get married. Yet Vulcans are held up as being special.
 
When did RIker say this? I honestly don't recall.

I remember Spock said this about Vulcans in TOS' "All Our Yesterdays", but only because he was shocked to notice he suddenly developed a taste for it when he went into the past through the Atavachron, but I dno't remember Riker mentioning about this of humans. It makes even less sense in light of the more recent episode of PIC where he put "bunnycorn sausage" on pizza. Clearly, humans (and betazoids) still eat meat.

I always thought the bunnycorn sausage was poop from the bunny.

Freeman hit Mariner's combadge, so I think they just beamed up the person who's combadge was activated.

She said "Emergency transport, now, on signal". It's like when Picard put his combadge on the Edo girl. The transporter will lock on to who/what ever has the badge.
 
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...She said "Emergency transport, now, on signal". It's like when Picard put his combadge on the Edo girl. The transporter will lock on to who/what ever has the badge.

I think the correct interpretation for the two beam up sequences in the episode is that Freeman arranged ahead of time to have Mariner beamed back due to her rule-breaking. So when Freeman called for one to transport, they knew to take Mariner. In the "movie" later, holo-Mariner activates holo-Freeman's badge for the emergency beamout so the computer takes holo-Freeman. Well planned all around by the showrunners/animators.
 
I haven't been logged in for quite awhile, but I had to after that episode. I've been on the fence with how I feel about this series - I suppose along the lines of several others on here. Love the hints and references to other Trek series, some of the storylines have been good so far, but sometimes over the top with Mariner and certain episodes are just too much or lack the usual flow.

However, this by far is the best. Great story - hopefully this puts Mariner in a different head space. Not to say she'll be a typical officer now, I think that's a premise of the entire series, but hopefully not as flagrantly offside, especially with the bridge crew/mother. How does Boimler live with and use that info about Mariner. Great episode all around.

Overall, I really enjoy the things that would be more difficult to do on a live action show - certain species, holodeck sequences, and topics that would just come off very gruesome or odd.

PS - opening theme is great!
 
Fun episode although I didn't laugh. That engineer guy gotta a lot of smirks from me. First when he's crying over how beautiful the ship is and then sitting alone, having soup and looking pale and sad he gets called a badass.
 
Free range bunnicorn? They could have small, relatively painless euthanization traps set up to kill them and what the Rikers don't eat they use to feed other native animals.
 
I think this is an example - much like the whole thing of Raffi and her comments about Picard being rich - where the Picard writers decided to just ignore established Trek just because they didn't like how anodyne it was.

It just came out recently there was a cut scene from the first episode where Picard threatened to fire someone doing manual labor on his vineyard. Which is great, because that certainly would have caused heads to explode.
 
I found it hilarious that he immediately licks his snout when there's a chance he might be able to eat them again XD
But I would never eat those guys, their lisping is too cute! Hmmm...bathk? We're deliciouth. :luvlove:
What I don't understand is why everyone keeps calling them "Rat People". These totally look like Anticans to me, which are far more canine in appearance than rats.
 
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