I don't think there is any ignoring of Trek lore. I think there is just different points of view within that world. Characters should not be treated as omniscient.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x09 - "Crisis Point"
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Mariner started it!
Hey, even if you are working in a vineyard for self growth, the owner can still fire you for doing a shitty job. I'm sure Joseph Sisko fired some employees in his time. Dr. Bashir thinks his father got fired from his job as a shuttle steward.
There's a difference between fantasizing about something and really doing it. If I responded to some people here (not you) like I've fantasized about doing sometimes, I'd have been banned a long time ago. In real life, I've imagined scenarios of things I'd do at XYZ place. Not doing anything else that breaks the law, but speaking my mind on things that are better left unsaid or taking actions that are better left untaken. But I don't do them. Because after I got it out of my system in my mind, I think, "Okay. But what am I really going to do? What am I really going to say?"
It's okay to have wild, crazy thoughts. It's not okay to do them for real. In a holodeck, it's all "let's pretend!" You'll note that Tendi didn't want to go along with it anymore after a certain point and Mariner came to her senses by the end of the episode.
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Exactly. This strays very close to thought crime type thinking. Even when I'm evaluating people for suicidal thoughts I don't automatically assume they need to go to the hospital just because they have the thoughts. If there is no plan or intent then they are just thoughts.
For me the mix of TOS movie music and Kelvin lens flares really made it obvious which movies were better. Even the cheesy flyby scene lifted my heart when I heard the tune
The difference is, those aren't simulations of real people.
Who cares? Our fantasies are our own and don’t reflect on our mental stability.
Let those fantasies fester for long enough, and they can.
I mean, are you seriously telling me you personally would not be bothered if you found out a coworker or "friend" was having graphic and detailed fantasies about KILLING you? Wouldn't you want to know WHY?
No. You’ve never fantasied about a co-worker?
I remember once in high school someone telling me, "_____ wants your blood!" This person they were talking about was furious at me. I'd gotten back at him really good for something. No need to get into it, but he deserved it. Quarter of a century later, I'm still here.
I, at the time, wasn't bothered. I thought, "He got what was coming to him!" It felt great.
Nope.
The risk is just too great. You start having fantasies (whatever kind) about people you work with, it has the potential to poison your real-life relationships with them.
No. That's their business, not mine.
That probably says more about your own insecurities than anyone else.
I would be surprised if there is only one person out there having fantasies about killing me!
Being careful != insecurity.
I forgot to mention this in my earlier post but I loved the Xon reference. That's a pretty deep cut there; referencing Star Trek that doesn't exist (Phase II).
You’re saying you can’t think of someone in a fantasy situation inside your head without the possibility of actually acting upon it says something about you. That you don’t think you can separate fantasy from reality.
"Shouldn't", not "can't".
I'm not talking about some random stranger. Fantasies, in that case, don't harm anyone, because you're not in constant contact with this person every day. With coworkers, it's different. You might end up doing or saying something out of line without even realizing it.
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