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Star Trek Into Darkness: Point by Point [SPOILERS]

The circumstances are different this time- Khan has a vendetta because he was being used and his family held hostage. He believes them dead, which just sets him off completely.

And yet in the end when Khan murders Admiral Marcus, gains control of the Vengeance and believes his followers are safely back with him, he decides to murder everyone onboard the Enterprise for no freaking reason. This turned a multi-dimensional and not inherently evil Khan into a two-dimensional and inherently evil plot device.
 
The circumstances are different this time- Khan has a vendetta because he was being used and his family held hostage. He believes them dead, which just sets him off completely.

And yet in the end when Khan murders Admiral Marcus, gains control of the Vengeance and believes his followers are safely back with him, he decides to murder everyone onboard the Enterprise for no freaking reason. This turned a multi-dimensional and not inherently evil Khan into a two-dimensional and inherently evil plot device.

Guess you missed the part in that same paragraph where I said his vendetta was against Star Fleet. He wanted to destroy the Enterprise because they are a part of Star Fleet, not for any personal reason. And I never thought the original Khan was multidimensional, I thought his character was inconsistant. He'll say or do one thing and then turn right around and do another. He says to Kirk "I have 5 times your strength" before promptly being beat up by Kirk holding a paper towel roll. What kind of crap is that? And Khan has all of the elaborate plans in TWOK that don't work at all. He could have killed Kirk a dozen times over by the time he dies, but nah. At least when Khan in STID goes to destroy his enemies, he doesn't give speeches or gloat or anything. He just destroys. You may disagree, and that's fine- but I thought this Khan was more intelligent, stronger and ruthless- which you'd have to be to be a dictator.
 
Am I the only one who's noticed that Kirk almost never wears his gold uniform in either of these movies? He wore it for only 1 minute in the first, and about 35 minutes in the second. He has more costume changes than all of the women put together XD Hilarious.

I noticed this too, although in both films it is with reason;

In the first he isnt officially the Captain until the end of the film, and its not like Spock changed his blue uniform for a Gold one, it shows a leader who isnt so bothered about the trappings of rank and title and just gets the job done (come on hes bound to have changed after coming back from Delta Vega.

In the second hes wearing his uniform when appropriate (ie not in Scubba gear, dress uniform or civvies) and during the finale he must have had the space suit over his uniform so it made sense not to bother with the gold tunic.

The only thing that gets me the enterprise get her ass kicked. Wished she had at least one exchange of fire with the Vengence instead it just used as a punch bag !!! Even if the enterprise could not match her fire power at least let her have a go !!!!

Its a shame she didnt, I have only seen the film once so far but I am sure Spock said they had lost weapons and shields after the first attack, which is why he could beam Carol off the bridge, but must have restored shields while Kirk was doing his space jump. I dont think weapons would have made that much of a big deal its not like the Vengence fired on the Enterprise long anyway.

As far as Khan goes, I think there's enough evidence that Khan can be driven by revenge (duh?) to the point of savagery in TWOK. The circumstances are different this time- Khan has a vendetta because he was being used and his family held hostage. He believes them dead, which just sets him off completely. Kirk and the Enterprise are just in his way of destroying Starfleet. Honestly, I find that Cumberbatch's Khan makes more sense than Montalban's Khan, because for being 5 times the strength of a man, he was beaten by Kirk REALLY easily in Space Seed. He also wasn't very scary for the worst enemy Kirk ever faced- he is in this movie.

Same here, after rewatching Space Seed hes a poorly writen bad guy who only gets so far due to badly written character choices. It was only in WOK that he became a threat but that was mainly due to a mix of luck and surprise, after his initial attack it all goes south just because his ego demanded he gloat.

This one is cold, calculating and has a plan, the only mistake he made was not thinking Spock might turn what he wanted against him and he loose his advantage. With no ship he can be taken out if caught and outnumbered.

The circumstances are different this time- Khan has a vendetta because he was being used and his family held hostage. He believes them dead, which just sets him off completely.

And yet in the end when Khan murders Admiral Marcus, gains control of the Vengeance and believes his followers are safely back with him, he decides to murder everyone onboard the Enterprise for no freaking reason. This turned a multi-dimensional and not inherently evil Khan into a two-dimensional and inherently evil plot device.

Had he gotten his way he would have likely killed any remaining Enterprise crew after he got what he wanted in Space Seed. I dont see the problem with Khan trying to finish off the Enterprise in this film and find it odd that people think he would just warp away once he got what he wanted.

Destroy the Enterprise and then theres one less group who know who he is and what he has (its possible that no one left at Starfleet knows of him)... Kirk and the Enterprise are just a loose end and he wanted to remove it.
 
Am I the only one who's noticed that Kirk almost never wears his gold uniform in either of these movies? He wore it for only 1 minute in the first

Which was intentional: he wasn't really the captain yet, until the last scene.
 
And yet in the end when Khan murders Admiral Marcus, gains control of the Vengeance and believes his followers are safely back with him, he decides to murder everyone onboard the Enterprise for no freaking reason.

Other than the fact that he is a maniac bent on conquering the world ?
 
Am I the only one who's noticed that Kirk almost never wears his gold uniform in either of these movies? He wore it for only 1 minute in the first

Which was intentional: he wasn't really the captain yet, until the last scene.

Oh, I know that, I just found it hilarious that in this film he doesn't wear it but for 1/4 of the movie, either.
 
And yet in the end when Khan murders Admiral Marcus, gains control of the Vengeance and believes his followers are safely back with him, he decides to murder everyone onboard the Enterprise for no freaking reason.

Other than the fact that he is a maniac bent on conquering the world ?

It was always his plan, He has been using Marcus the entire time, biding his time, waiting till he can get his people free and his hands on a ship. He still has the same motivations and that is to rule.
 
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