Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoilers]

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Put TUC in your player and tell me that doesn't look like shit? It is one of the worst examples of DNR ever!

Umm, it doesn't look like shit. It's got some DNR on it, and it's not a reference quality demo disc. It does look and sound significantly better than all the previous home video releases I own - LaserDisc and DVD (x2).

It is one of the worst releases of all time and paramount should be ashamed of it.

Look at this: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuchd/tuchd0188.jpg

Does that look acceptable? It's been scrubbed that much Spock looks like a waxwork figure. It's abysmal.

No, it's a very long way from an "abysmal" release in terms of AV quality. Truly not wishing to be boastful at all here, but as a home cinema enthusiast of many decades, I do spend a lot of money on my set-up - it's a passion and major hobby.

If you want to see something that "looks like shit", watch a DVD on a extremely large screen. The TUC Blu blows the DVD version away with consummate ease - I'll take the slightly over zealous DNR over DVD any day thank you very much.

 

[Aatrek]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

If not "abysmal", then I guess "terrible" will have to suffice.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

If not "abysmal", then I guess "terrible" will have to suffice.

No, not "terrible" either. "Average" or "mediocre" is far more suitable terminology.

Whatever, I'm sure I'll get vociferously shouted down by those who want to proclaim how dreadful and awful the TUC Blu-ray transfer is. Indeed, the sometimes laughable and hysterical overreactions to the disc have been around since release date. Hey-ho.

 

[Aatrek]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

We can see bits of lint on Beverly Crusher's medical coat on the TNG Blu-rays. Leonard Nimoy looks like a melting candle on that screenshot. I'm not trying to stir up a big argument, but it's not a good picture.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

We can see bits of lint on Beverly Crusher's medical coat on the TNG Blu-rays. Leonard Nimoy looks like a melting candle on that screenshot. I'm not trying to stir up a big argument, but it's not a good picture.

I'm not up for an argument either - I just don't agree with you. I've watched the TUC BD "in motion" many times, and it's a big upgrade on the DVD.

I could grab a load of SD DVD screenshots and rip them to pieces, but it'll just turn into a pissing contest - pointless. You see the transfer as "terrible" - OK, fine. I think that's an extremely inaccurate description of the AV quality. No bad feelings intended.

 

[Ovation]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Single frame screen captures can often make even the best of Blu-rays look less than pristine and are rather useless in most situations in determining PQ. Viewing something in motion, as it was intended, is a better way to judge PQ. And TUC has nothing on some truly awful releases (early BD of Predator comes to mind).

The Trek BDs (not including the Abrams films) are not stellar releases in PQ by any stretch, but they are no worse than average overall. But, hey, nitpickers exist in all areas and some of the most hysterical debates that Trek fans can have are easily matched by some found at A/V enthusiast sites (several of which I am a member). And it goes even further in debates about AQ.

Terrible vs average, to be fair, also depends on what one has seen. If the bulk of one's viewing is of recent releases where BDs are made from the digital interpositive directly, then something that is less than pristine may indeed look "terrible". But if one has sampled BDs of films from many different eras, in many different states of "repair", then a lot of what is often called "terrible" becomes "average". This is not to say that efforts shouldn't be made to do better, but it is often a cost vs. potential sales issue (look up articles by Robert A. Harris--his work is the gold standard on this topic--he was instrumental in making the Lawrence of Arabia BD release into the outstanding example of how great hi-def can be, for example).

 

[Tosk]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

I hate the TUC Blu transfer too. It's so ugly, in my opinion.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Now the thing to be genuinely pissed off @ Paramount for is the awful Blu-Ray quality of the majority of the old Trek movies because they used old DVD 1080i masters and digitally scrubbed (DNR) all the detail away instead of re-scanning them all at 4K. If anything should be skipped its them! TWOK is the exception as it was rescanned at 4k. The rest look like shit.

I'm not going to get into the tech stuff, but just in layman's terms, it all doens't amtter because the resulyt is exactly the opposite of what you say here:

TWOK is the worst-looking blue-ray of all the Star Trek films, with it's overly-blue washed out look. Even Regula, and the ships orbiting it, seem smeared in blue. It looks like a pain of translucent glass has been placed between the viewer and the drama!

It's not just the worst Star Trek film on Blue-ray, it's the worst-looking blue-ray in my collection

I noticed the blue in TWOK but colour issues aside it is by far the best looking movie in the blu-ray set. It might be possible to use some form of software or filter on a blu-ray player or computer to return it to the more red colour it was on the DVD?

Put TUC in your player and tell me that doesn't look like shit? It is one of the worst examples of DNR ever!

Put this in perspective. I only got into blue-ray recently. I got the Star Trek 2 combo pack on DVD for a song (same basic cover design as the blue-ray release) and the blue was there as well.. it was all over the place. It wasn't just the blue-ray, it was the color timing of the remastered release. Everything, from the ships to the planetoid, look blue, and washed out. Fixing the settings on my TV or player aren't the issue.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

If not "abysmal", then I guess "terrible" will have to suffice.

No, not "terrible" either. "Average" or "mediocre" is far more suitable terminology.

Whatever, I'm sure I'll get vociferously shouted down by those who want to proclaim how dreadful and awful the TUC Blu-ray transfer is. Indeed, the sometimes laughable and hysterical overreactions to the disc have been around since release date. Hey-ho.

Have to agree with, LOKAI of CHERON here.

The film isn't as crisp as the Abramsverse films on Blu-ray, but it looks ten times better than the DVD version.

 

[Flake]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Well I guess we have to agree to disagree here re: TOS movie blurays. TUC in particular is utterly totally abysmal quality to the power of 10 IMHO. It is a shocking release by Paramount (TOS movies) because they couldn't spend a small bit of money on rescanning it. You/we should not let them get away with it, but I guess they will based on these comments!

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Well I guess we have to agree to disagree here re: TOS movie blurays. TUC in particular is utterly totally abysmal quality to the power of 10 IMHO. It is a shocking release by Paramount (TOS movies) because they couldn't spend a small bit of money on rescanning it. You/we should not let them get away with it, but I guess they will based on these comments!

All I can say is - wow! Abysmal quality ^10!??? You obviously have an extremely high benchmark for HD technical presentation. Damn, I have some Blu-ray's considerably worse than TUC - the Vivendi release of John Woo's "The Killer" for instance. You'd probably choke on your cornflakes if you saw that!

 

[ComicGuy89]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

I'm just a layman, but I didn't see anything wrong with TUC. I do agree, though, that my remastered TOS blu-rays look better.

 

[Rincewiend]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

*sigh*
Nerds...
*sigh*

 

[Tosk]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Careful, you'll hyperventilate.

 

[austen_pierce]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

While I plan to get TWOK at some point, I'm holding out for better content (i.e. extras) before dropping coin on the other blurays.

 

[Yanks]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Just received by Target Combo pack yesterday.

Wow...

I watched all the "extras". All of them very nice, but I got the feeling there should have been more.

 

[doubleohfive]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

My friend Kay Reindl, who wrote that brilliant blog post all about why Star Trek Into Darkness is actually a fine film and rather unworthy of much of the criticism it has received, has posted another blog entry responding to the reaction her first post got. Highly entertaining and with even more good points to consider:

The Ego of Entitlement

 

[Tosk]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

I think I'll pass, just based on the title.

 

[Ovation]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

My friend Kay Reindl, who wrote that brilliant blog post all about why Star Trek Into Darkness is actually a fine film and rather unworthy of much of the criticism it has received, has posted another blog entry responding to the reaction her first post got. Highly entertaining and with even more good points to consider:

The Ego of Entitlement

This excerpt is especially on point:

Fans are entitled to watch the show. They can like it or not. They can bitch about it if that's how they feel. They can praise it if that's how they feel (although mostly that's done in private so as to not infuriate the trolls). But they do NOT own it. They don't deserve to have input into the creative process. You want to be creative? THEN BE CREATIVE. Leave other people alone. Let the professionals do their thing. And if you don't like it, don't watch it.

(bolding mine)

This is applicable to all forms of creative endeavour. IF (and I do mean "if") the creators want to include "fan feedback", that's fine. But it is certainly not something "owed to the fans".

 

[Yanks]

Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

Used the Ultra-violet code on iTunes and I got a digital copy of the film and the commentary. So, all-in-all, I'm happy with the purchase.

I, for some unknown reason, am having trouble downloading my digital copy.

If you don't mind, what browser are you using? I'm using Chrome.