It's there; I've read it. People have indeed talked about the character and the characterization, but if all you want to look for is the underwear discussion, then Lo, the underwear discussion is all you will see.
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Indeed it does. Watching the DVD last night, the scene is just a couple of seconds. It gets blown out of proportion because most of the critics simply take the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" tactic. There's nothing wrong with Carol Marcus' character, and I enjoyed how Alice Eve portrayed her.
God forbid the lovely, stubborn scientist in TWOK be a younger lovely, stubborn scientist in STiD. I guess that's just too much.
The outrageous thing about the underwear scene is that they apparently use 21st century underwear in the future. The film is not set in the present, so Carol should have worn future underwear. Case in point, the cymbals in Nemesis. Everything in the future ought to be transparent.
It's not. Having her character mean something on the other hand is asking too much.
The fact that people base Alice Eve's character on a two second glimpse of her unmentionables instead of her considerable actual contribution to the movie screams sexism. A woman is based on her sexuality, not her talent or intelligence.
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That's terrible, that you only see her as a woman in her underwear. She has a brain, you know.
In the first movie, Kirk is most definitely just as boldly in his underwear as Carol Marcus is, you can tell which hand Pine writes with, the scene is so bold. And could someone please tell me how Carol Marcus' underwear scene is anywhere near as bold as Troi or Seven of Nine in their catsuits? Troi, you can see her nipples poking through often and you can also quite clearly see an outline downline often. Seven of Nine, you can often see her nipples poking through, I don't notice Carol Marcus' nipples showing through, nor do I see an outline down below. (Plus Carol Marcus' scene was under a minute. Troi and Seven of Nine run around in their get ups for the entire episode, and there's more than one instance of a close up of them bending over)
She risked her life several times for the crew of the Enterprise, willing to put herself in harms way the whole damn movie, sticking her arm right into a torpedo with a yield big enough to rip away most of the planetoid they were standing on at the time to save McCoys life.
Oh and she wears underwear, oh god the horrorz!
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Which is the kicker. She's obviously highly intelligent, brave, and sexy. It's probably intimidating for some because that means she's like the leads.
QFT... And by the by, the only other trailer worthy Marcus moment was her screaming...
That said, I loved the movie, so I'm not going to complain too loudly.
Yup, Uhura and Carol kicked more ass in this movie than a lot of Prime main characters did their entire stint in the franchise.
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Yup, Uhura and Carol kicked more ass in this movie than a lot of Prime main characters did their entire stint in the franchise.
Speaking of which, the whole Uhura/Klingon sequence on Kronos was awesome. Having re-watched it last night, I love seeing this more capable, intelligent Uhura. Poor Nichelle Nichols never got a chance to be this awesome.
A woman, walking up to a contingent of Klingon troops, speaking their own language back to them on their own planet and black mailing them with their own honour system without flinching. That takes someone extraordinary.
Especially when security specialist Cupcake is hiding behind a phaser rifle, flak jacket and six feet of shuttle and still wetting his bucket seat.
Especially when security specialist Cupcake is hiding behind a phaser rifle, flak jacket and six feet of shuttle and still wetting his bucket seat.
And not one second of any of that was considered trailer-worthy by the creators.
Bingo. Therein lies my problem.
They let her fix a radio once. Ironically, that's about as much as Carol Marcus studying a torpedo.
Too bad it didn't amount to anything extraordinary. When other characters do things like that, like Kirk and Spock going onto the Narada full of Romulans, they succeed. All Uhura does is delay a big fight which she also doesn't do much of anything.
I agree it was courageous of Uhura to do what she did, I just wish it amounted to something of equal value.
Nichelle Nichols did get to speak Klingon once too ... Sort of.
Yup, Uhura and Carol kicked more ass in this movie than a lot of Prime main characters did their entire stint in the franchise.
Speaking of which, the whole Uhura/Klingon sequence on Kronos was awesome. Having re-watched it last night, I love seeing this more capable, intelligent Uhura. Poor Nichelle Nichols never got a chance to be this awesome.
But it was Khan's fault that it fucked up. Besides, Klingons.
I wish people would just be honest about why they dislike these films (they dislike the creators) instead of coming up with these insane reasons that don't make any sense.
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